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This isn't going to go over well with a couple posters, but right now, Taylor ranks: 7th with PFF 7th in NFL.com's "QB Index" 7th in BR's Doug Farrar's NFL 1000 weekly rankings (What continues to stand out watching Taylor is his wizardry in and around the pocket.) and (But his development as a pocket passer should not be overlooked. Two throws that stand out both went to Deonte Thompson. First, facing a 3rd-and-5 midway through the second quarter, Thompson ran the bending vertical route on a verticals concept working from right to left, and Taylor dropped in a precision throw to convert. Taylor hit Thompson again on a crossing route in the fourth quarter, this time releasing the ball just seconds before absorbing a hit in the pocket.) and I especially love... (There are times when he is a "see it, throw it" quarterback, and if he could get the ball out a hair quicker on some of these plays, he'll put his receivers in advantageous situations. But as B/R's Mike Tanier argued yesterday, "it's hard to criticize Taylor unless you deliberately set out to." He is playing the position at a high level right now and is a big reason for Buffalo's success.) 12th in Passer Rating 17th in ESPN total Qbr 17th in FO DVOA 19th in FO DYAR There are people here who legitimately still think he's a bottom ten QB, if not one of the worst QBs in the NFL. Those people, very simply, shall be directed to the quote referenced above: "it's hard to criticize Taylor unless you deliberately set out to."

Good example of a bad joke, poorly delivered

You seem all upset, why? There's another old saying, "laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot." Still morning for me, but I'm having a wonderful day, thank you

If you say so, boss. Soooo... you're admitting that you use sarcasm as an escape hatch when you say dumb stuff that you initially did not intend to be sarcastic, rather than just owning up to the fact that what you've said is dumb? Big of you to admit that, but sad that you do it so consistently.

It's still there. The 3 step drop has been mostly eliminated because of the batted balls in the first few weeks, although we saw that a few more times than I expected against the Bucs. The 5 step drop is still there. We're doing a lot of play action and Taylor is extremely effective out of that. Hell, the stark contrast from last year to this year just in terms of snaps under center is incredible: https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/snap-rates--shotgun-v-under-center--off-.html 2016: 20% of all snaps were under center 2017: 57% of all snaps were under center

b..... bu.... but we've been told he's a below average QB...? He must be... I mean, afterall... YARDS!!!!

Shady, you say this as though everyone else is in on all of your jokes, but I think you're in that room all alone, usually. I understand sarcasm just fine. I'm very sarcastic myself. You seem to use sarcasm as an excuse for some of the misguided things you say. And if you truly are sarcastic so often, you need to work on writing style because a lot of posters don't "get it." grb wouldn't have responded to your sack comment with the negative runs comment if he "got it."

Do you understand why it's hard to have any kind of conversation with you on here, now? It's impossible to tell if/when you're serious. It's easier to just take things you say I have serious issues with as "sarcastic"

The running QB gimmick? Did those look like running QB gimmick plays? So how long does that "gimmick" last? 35 games in and the "gimmick" looks to be working as well as game 1 Taylor's actually improving as a passer. I know that's a shocker, but he is. One example he's been so heavily criticized for: Average yards to go on 3rd down by QB this year: DeShone Kizer: 9.3 Tyrod Taylor: 8.6 Jay Cutler: 8.0 Matt Stafford: 8.0 Carson Palmer: 7.7 http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=Passing&year= Despite this, Taylor is currently top 10 in 3rd down conversion %. Amazing! Give a QB real game reps and with time he gets better.

Average yards to go on 3rd down by QB this year: DeShone Kizer: 9.3 Tyrod Taylor: 8.6 Jay Cutler: 8.0 Matt Stafford: 8.0 Carson Palmer: 7.7 http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=Passing&year= Despite this, Taylor is currently top 10 in 3rd down conversion %.

No, it's not. But Taylor said he told his agent he wanted to be back in Buffalo. This is where Taylor said he wanted to be. And even though no one is ever going to find a single report that Buffalo was going to cut Taylor if he didn't accept the paycut, there are reports that at least 3 teams (SF, NYJ, and Cleveland) were interested in signing Taylor if he was released. So the posters here saying there was just no interest in Taylor just seem to be in their own worlds. The thing is, again, Taylor told his agent he wanted to stay in Buffalo. Stay in Buffalo or go to SF, Cleveland or the New York Jets (and the New York market)... seems pretty understandable. You honestly think those teams wouldn't have given Taylor more than what he renegotiated to?

Maybe in real life, but not in the case of a business negotiation process.

Why do we know that's the answer? The Hoyer "interest" could have easily been some last minute posturing and leveraging. And if it was, it worked. I wish people would stop pretending they know what happened, or worse, team intentions, during that time period.

Link that they were going to cut him? Don't bother looking if you don't want, there isn't one. So all of this is just an opinion. Another equally valid opinion is that all of the stuff from the moment the season ended up until Taylor renegotiated was simply posturing based on a likely mistake tailor-made on clean out day in the locker room when he said he would be open to restructuring his contract. I'd say the second option where they weren't going to cut Taylor but were just trying to leverage him into taking less money is the more likely scenario. After all, who the hell was going to start at QB for the Buffalo Bills in 2017, otherwise?

Choosing not to reply to a post is a little different than the consistent "just crown him already!" posts bang has been posting lately. And what post? I don't read every single post of yours and I often don't reply to you anymore because you told me you aren't serious about most of what you say, hence the "Shady" name. Once you said that, it made me not really care about replying to you because I don't know when you're serious or if you're ever serious about what you say. And sometimes maybe you are serious and realize you said something you shouldn't have, and then you use this "Shady" facade as a means to excuse yourself. How about you leave a note at the end of your posts from now on saying whether we should take you seriously or not? Whoops... looks like you're history now.

You're a dumbass troll who clearly doesn't watch this team. Superior running game, huh? Go away. We aren't a superior running team in 2017, so are you a troll or a moron? Better than 2 for 16 Did you not understand what he said?

You've sounded a little frustrated and snippy lately with this topic. You and your overt sarcasm. Everything all right buddy?

For me what sums this game up is simply that Buffalo doesn't win these types of games. Good teams need to pull out the close ones. Love that we did.

Whaaaaaaaaaat?! I've decided that I despise posters like you. You're a troll OR You're a liar OR You're so entrenched in your opinion that it acts like LSD on your perception and makes you see (or not see) things that just aren't true It's gotta be one of those 3 things, and I find the first 2 particularly loathsome. The 3rd also makes me feel sorry for you. 1 throw all game, eh? Yeah, let's neglect the other 2 20+ yard throws to Thompson along with the 22 yard TD to Thomas along with the 34 yard strike up the deep middle of the field (*GASP*!!!!) to O'Leary. But no, let's just say something stupid and loathsome, instead. Good for you

Just thinking about it immediately after the game, I was stoked we won, but I didn't put it up there with the Miami or Seattle game in 2016. But then I started thinking about this: Tampa 2017 40 total touches, 314 combined Net yards, 7.9 YPT, 1 TD, 0 turnovers, 9/15 (60%) on 3rd down conversions, down by 7 with less than 4 minutes in the 4th Quarter and leads a game tying drive. (Technically a GWD on the following drive courtesy mostly of Tre White and a "pass" to Taiwan Jones). Win. @ Seattle 2016 51 total touches, 306 combined Net yards, 6.0 YPT, 2 TDs, 1 turnover, 7/11 (64%) on 3rd down conversions, down by 11 entering 4th Quarter leads the team on a drive down by 6 that gets close to the EZ but ends up being unsuccessful. Loss. Miami 2016 53 total touches, 377 combined Net yards, 7.1 YPT, 3 TDs, 0 turnovers, 6/15 (40%) on 3rd down conversions, down by 4 with 4 minutes left in the 4th Quarter leads the team to a go-ahead TD with a TD pass to Clay, but the Dolphins get a FG and sends it to OT. Loss On top of that, is it just me or does Taylor look a little more comfortable passing from the pocket or with a crowd around him? I'm thinking particularly of the last bomb to Thompson. Lots of TB defenders closing in on him and a crowd around him and I thought he might actually run because I thought he was about to get sacked, but instead he threw a beauty. What do you think? Was that the best we've seen Taylor on Sunday and is he improving?

This is very well put

So, Taylor did several things today he's criticized for that he supposedly never does, which seems to kinda reinforce that maybe Taylor's actually (*gasp*) getting better: Taylor carried the team. Not only did he win by passing for 30+ yards, but Taylor accounted for 60% of the touches and 72.4% of the yards through the air and on the ground. Keep the offense on the field. Taylor himself was 9/16 (60%) with 1 TD on 3rd downs. Bring a team back in the 4th quarter when down by 4+ points. Lead a GWD. Clutch throws to Thompson and Z Jones for the tie and then T Jones doing the YAC to clinch it. Let's just say this was a down game for our D. I hope it was. Playoff fodder we might not be

Huh? The pass Jones dropped today he didn't have to dive for. What're you talking about? Stop being so shady, Shady Great point, actually It's just the fact that EVERY game there's one or two he drops that's a little ridiculous and is getting frustrating.

Thurm, first of all, I think you should just send me flowers or something. This weird affinity you have for me is sweet, though Regardless, that's a nice opinion you have of Taylor being a below average QB. 20-22, eh? Who are the 19-21 QBs who are clearly better? Also, we've established (largely because of your inability to find QBs like Taylor who were on the bench pretty much the entirety of their rookie contracts AND THEN come in and perform like an NFL starter for a significant stretch... something you can't accept but also can't find) that there really isn't a "group" Taylor is in because his situation is actually very unique in the NFL. And that, my friend, is fact, not opinion

Which one? Didn't he do that a couple times? Totally forgot I even made that bet with Wayne. Thanks for the reminder