transplantbillsfan

You're really talking in circles and losing your own argument. You and xRushx are doing an amazing job destroying whatever credibility the "Tyrod sucks" argument ever had, keep it up

You have an insane definition of Franchise QB.

I have a legitimate series of questions: How are you not banned? Is Crusher actually banned from TBD? If he is, how on earth did you outlast him when you're so much worse than even he was?

The biggest "if" in what I said is probably the playoffs, though. Taylor's a pretty consistent QB throughout his career in the sense that his bad isn't nearly as bad as the worst you've seen from the likes of Bortles, Winston or Cousins. With the addition of Benjamin and Clay coming back, I actually think the first part of that "if" you're so skeptical of is pretty likely. It's the playoffs part that's still the question, but we're still in pretty good position even for that.

We all probably agreed he hadn't proven he was a Franchise QB. I still don't think he has. But I'm pretty sure he's played games since then and has at least 8 more to go this season. If the 2nd half of the season he's worse than he was in the 1st half and we lose a lot and miss the playoffs, we all know he's not and that he'll be replaced. If he almost exactly resembles his first half of the season or is even better with weapons like Benjamin and Clay coming back and we make the playoffs. I think the answer to whether Taylor is our Franchise QB swings towards yes. This is still a conversation for good reason.

We all decided and so it must be? There are 16 games in the season and Taylor still has eight more. Nothing has been decided. I don't agree with the OP, either. The course of the season needs to run out before the coach/GM deciding what he really is, anyway. Our opinions as fans mean absolute squat. i've been listening to what McDermott has been saying and watching team moves like our acquisition of Benjamin along with watching Taylor actually play. Seems pretty clear Taylor's making the most of his opportunity and McDermott likes what he sees out of Taylor as a QB and a leader. I think it's almost inevitable yet again the way I thought last offseason that Taylor's still our starter next year. And that's another 16 games. And more of an opportunity to prove himself. And if he plays well next year on a (we assume) more talented team then you can bet he's likely going to be back for the 5th straight year as the Bills starter. At that point is the conversation really still "is he a franchise QB?" I just think the dominoes have started falling in favor of Taylor's long term prospects in Buffalo.

Ya know what else someone should look up? When was the last time a team won when the QB was part of 90% of the offensive output, cause that's what Taylor did Thursday.

110 passing yards. Does it matter? Did it actually look to you like the Jets D remotely lightened up? Even his "garbage TD" was a contested catch on a beautiful throw. The Jets D was out to embarrass the Bills the entire game.

You can't even do simple math. Anazing.

Hilarious. I'm assuming now you're drastically reducing this all to passing TDs instead of total TDs. Taylor averaged 23.5 TDs in his first 2 years as a starter. Funny. Most people round up when it's 0.5, yet you couldn't even say 19 passing TDs. You had to round down, which no one ever does. Talk about an absolutely pathetic agenda:doh:

Stupid? Who's the friggin dumbass insinuating you need close to 60 TDs to be a Franchise QB? Or that Taylor only gets 15 TDs a year? Still using the word "retard," are we?

Who the HELL is getting 15 TDs per season?! Some posts in here are absolutely moronic!

TBD and borderline but making the case as one so far

What quote of mine are you responding to?

Resorting to name calling now? Go read your own words. the wheels seem to be falling off for the anTy argument

Well reading through this thread it's clear most won't budge. Some previously adamant anTy Taylor guys are demonstrating actual flexibility and objectivity like JaCrispy, which is impressive. Some clearly didn't even watch the game. Some are hanging all over Romo's jock as a commentator, which is pretty funny. This entire discussion is old and stale for many reasons, but some people have a vision of what they need their QB to be and Taylor will never be it, despite the obvious steps forward he's taken in his game. Oh, what's a Franchise QB? Are people seriously just equating Franchise QB with an Elite QB? I remember GoBills808 once defined Franchise QB as a QB who starts for the same team for 5 straight years. That means Dalton and Flacco would be Franchise QBs. Who here would do a straight up trade of Taylor for Flacco/Dalton?

Oy

Read the initial dialogue and backwards logic of GoBills808 regarding Newton.

Ummm, no, but Taylor passes for more than 15 TDs per season and gets significantly more when you add his rushing TDs. On the flip side, a "Franchise QB" needs almost 60 TDs per season, to you?

Stop with the crusade crap. I'm a fan and I'm talking about the Bills. This is a Tyrod thread I'm posting my opinion on it. Why does your post count exponentially increase when Taylor has a bad game OR (very important word there) the Bills lose? Remember the last couple weeks how you were saying "one foot on the Taylor wagon?" Now you're taking a dump on him because you see a loss as an opportunity to, despite the fact that he was by far the best player on the field in a Bills uniform. Pretty pathetic.

FWIW, Tyrod has been asked to shoulder a MASSIVE portion of this offense this year. Taylor was 90% of Buffalo's offensive output vs the Jets.

Okay... what about Taylor's turnovers? Like his first interception of the season?

Is that a joke? is "Franchise QB" the same as 1st ballot HOFer for you?

That's only because you're clearly incredibly biased and unable to be objective in any way when it comes to Taylor can't wait for the responses to that post

I haven't read a single post in this thread and can't imagine the heat but it's getting right now, but I think you might be right. That loss on Thursday might actually have been the tipping point. We have eight more games to go, but that was a damn impressive game in dire circumstances for Taylor. He has really progressed in terms of moving around in the pocket, which is absolutely something that a shorter QB needs to do in order to pass from the pocket. He can't just stand tall in there and deliver because he needs to be able to see over the towers around him. Without even reading this thread I can already foresee all the crap that people are saying. But just listen to and look at what McDermott has been saying in the last few weeks. Looks like they might be thinking Taylor is our future, as well. McDermott already set it before the start of the season, anyway. And just some interesting facts: Against the Jets -the Bills averaged 8.6 yards to go on 3rd down. -the Bills had 7 plays of zero or negative yards attributable to anyone but Taylor (6 RB rushes & one idiotic snap) -"Garbage time" is an overrated discussion, but only 110 passing yards and 1 passing TD were in "garbage time." (It really didn't look like the Jets let up at any point on defense, though) On the year -Taylor has faced the 2nd most 3rd and longs (8+ yards) amongst QBs in the NFL. 1st is Phillip Rivers. Yet... -Taylor has the 7th best 3rd down conversion % when passing in the NFL. -Taylor has the 5th highest passer rating in the NFL when trailing. Get rid of those "garbage time" yards & TD and he drops only to 6th, but if I did that I'd have to find "garbage time" (which exists really not just when you're really far behind but also when you're really far ahead) for every other QB. So... 5th. This faction arguing "Taylor's just not good enough" seems to be getting smaller and smaller or quieter and quieter by the week (there are a couple posters I've noticed during the year who only popped their heads out briefly for comments after Carolina and Cincinnati... too funny), which is a testament to how generally steady Taylor has been all year. I'm still not ready to buy my Taylor jersey, but he might be our guy