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Except saying "even Taylor looked bad in that game" is dumb because he didn't. Argue it was in garbage time. Argue it was against backups. Fair arguments to make. But you said and are persisting that "Taylor looked bad, too," when anyone who watched the 2nd half knows how false that statement is considering you're basing it on one play. And before you try saying something about basing Peterman's performance on 5 plays... no let's also include the botched snap that was his fault and the near pick-6 another defender had on the right sideline on a ball he never should've thrown... plus the fact that he had ZERO to do with the TD drive he took snaps for. Taylor was good... sure it was in "garbage time" with some backups in and out of the game for sure... but he was good. Peterman was so historically bad I would honestly rather never have to see him take another meaningful snap for Buffalo again

So you didn't watch most of the half Taylor played? 1 turnover to 5 turnovers that almost turned to 7? Yeah that alone is much better... without even factoring in the positive plays. Happy Thanksgiving!!!

This is exactly right and exactly why McDermott has to start Taylor this week and almost certainly until we're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. It's just disturbing if he actually believed Peterman would somehow be an upgrade for a team in the thick of a playoff hunt when he's seen this obvious downgrade in practice. Oy

No response to the hypocrisy Ry... I mean Fitzy? What a troll... or an idiot... or both "Look at meeeee!!! I'm Maury L Fitzy and I'm so smart I can't hold a username for more than a few months!!!" Are we to assume you're betting under 130 and we lose? So that means if he goes over 130 OR we win you shut up or play nice?

Not a reason to throw significantly worse in the game just because it can get better

Yeah I caught the dig. I wonder if the OP is saying he's taking his own bet...? If he is, what the hell is he going to do if Taylor throws for over and we win? I don't think I've seen that poster say a single positive thing about this team under any of the three usernames I've seen from him And you might not want to poke bears, but paper tigers are okay

Gut feeling says you're right. I also thought he was poised for a big game against the Chargers. Instead he had a big half. Not as confident about a win as Taylor playing well, though.

Wasn't it obvious?

Welp... at least now McDermott knows that for sure, too

I know this is largely tongue in cheek, but there's lots and lots of truth in here

Clear and massive upgrade. Maybe Sunday is the worst week ever see out of Peterman. I think we all agree that the Saints game is the worst will see out of Taylor. Peterman and 1/2 of the Chargers game: 14 passes 6 completions 0 sacks 5 interceptions (1 pick-6) 66 passing yards... even more interception return yards. 4 rushing yards 4 first downs Average starting field position given to opponent while Peterman played: Buffalo's 49 yard line with 49 yard average distance to score. That's obviously without the pick-6. Tyrod Taylor in 3 quarters of the Saints game: 18 passes 9 completions 2 sacks minus 6 yards 1 interception (returned 27 yards) 56 passing yards. 27 rushing yards 4 1st downs Average starting field position given to opponent while Taylor played: Saints own 36 yard line with 64 yards average distance to score. That's with the interception return off Clay's drop, otherwise it was the 28 yard line with an average distance of 72 yards. Both these guys were baaaAAAAaaaad, but Peterman was historically bad. Hell the team practically gave up around him. The D gave up over 300 yards and 37 points in the first half alone! At least it was just a 2 TD game (as opposed to a 30 point game) against the Chargers. I hope Peterman gets better, but I'll be happy if I never see him start another game again.

Ummm... the difference is that Tyrod Taylor is a clear and massive upgrade over the guy who he would remain on the bench for if he were to stay there and every single player knows that. You really can't say the same for any of those positions you just brought up.

Oh man I was totally thinking the same poster. Ironically, that would make this his 3rd username in the brief 7 or 8 months he's been here. Troll away... troll away

No, Taylor had like 170 passing yards and a TD before anything you could classify as "garbage time." Taylor was basically the same effective QB throughout the entire game. And the Jets D really never let up. Go rewatch the game. I did it a long time ago... like right after the Jets game. I want to say I came up with 168 passing yards and 1 passing TD and then the O'Leary fumble, after which I think you could classify the rest of Taylor's stats as "garbage stats" if you want.

Ummm... the Bills with Taylor at QB are 7-11 on the road. Not great, but certainly not bad enough to expect that a "road game" that really is more of a neutral site game is somehow surely or even highly likely a loss.

It's funny you mention this, actually. Because a couple of those interceptions that Peterman had while he was getting hit and throwing were on poor protection wouldn't have been interceptions with Taylor because either he takes a sack or he has the arm strength Peterman doesn't to get it up the field more. Peterman doesn't have the NFL arm to play like the "Nate Favre" Micah Hyde calls him. ooooOOOOOOooooohhhh so you are a previously banned poster. What was your previous username over at BBMB or here?

Pretty sure you were a guy who kept on blabbering that any backup in the NFL could do what Taylor's done. Still sticking with that? Well, they lost the 2nd Jets game because no one got off the team bus except Tyrod Taylor. That Jets game this year along with the 2nd Miami game and MNF Seattle games last year are perfect examples of really good QB play with a team losing in spite of the QB, not because of him. On the flip side, last year's win against Cincinnati is the perfect example of a team winning in spite of really bad QB play. Wins and Losses are a team stat, but Taylor's a good enough QB for a good team to win and go into the playoffs with. Unfortunately, the last 3 games make it look like this just isn't a good team. No he was the QB when the offense was totally ineffective for one blowout and then a string of bungling bad luck negated any effectiveness the offense had in another blowout. At least get your facts straight. Oh yeah... and... DEFENSE?!?!?! Yes... we good But you don't throw away a mid tier QB in a QB-driven league without having an upgrade. And you especially don't trot out hot garbage onto the field when your team is very much in the middle of a legitimate Wild Card race and throw a game that might come back to haunt you later.

He had 2 bounce back games after The Carolina debacle against the Broncos and then at Atlanta... on the road. On the road didn't mean that much in this case. It was like a neutral site. Makes Peterman's performance that much more pitiful. How was Taylor's 2nd half? If Lynn was licking his chops, looked like his mouth was dry cause the 1st half and 2nd half were night and day in terms of QB performance.

Yeah... interceptions are worse

It was 1 terrible game for Taylor against the Saints. He was the only player on the team other than Zay Jones who showed up vs the Jets. 38 games as a starter for Taylor. What percentage of those were bad? 15-20%... at most? Sorry. The Chargers game would probably have been a bounce back game for Taylor. We might not have won, but we wouldn't have been down by 30 at the half after 24 points off turnovers.

This this 1000x this!!! But here's my problem with this: he screwed up the tank!!! If that was his goal, we legitimately should have started Peterman from week 1. But when Lorax and especially Kyle decided to come back, it felt like a couple guys were convinced by their Head Coach that the team was going to aim for a winning season. Were they duped? Better yet, why would McDermott even try to get them to not retire if that's all he wanted to do? We're going to have our answer in large part on Wednesday. I guess I'm fine and can deal with either. If we start Peterman, we're tanking even though I'll still watch every game and hope against hope that Peterman suddenly turns into Brady. I mean, it can't get any worse than what he did Sunday, right? But if McDermott comes out and says Taylor is the starter, which I mostly expect (though absolutely nothing is going to shock me anymore when it comes to McDermott), then he's telling this team that we're still trying to make a run. Whichever way he goes I'm fine with as long as he just sticks with that QB the rest of the year. I do kinda fear that he's pretty stubborn with "the process" and that he's going to start Peterman, anyway, and that he's doing it because he actually believes he can win with him.

Taylor was a big part of the losses against Carolina, Cincy and NO. He absolutely was not in primetime against the Jets. He looked like the only Bills player who actually showed up to the game aside from Zay Jones who unfortunately got hurt. That was probably one of his 5 best games. I think giving up 300 yards on the ground by the defense was the biggest reason we lost against New Orleans. Regardless, 3 bad games out of 9. Let's see how many more of those he has the rest of the year, assuming McDermott is still trying to win games. He very well might not be. We'll find out on Wednesday. To the Denver game alone; lest we forget that the Bills were winning that game even with the "whacked" unsportsmanlike penalty called on Miller that just sealed the deal?

Are you joking? Are you saying QB wouldn't have made a difference in terms of us winning or losing yesterday? Yeah, it's possible we lose yesterday, but I doubt it's the bloodbath it turned out to be. Peterman was THE reason we were down 30 points at halftime. That's what happens when you give the other team the ball and they turn those 5 turnovers into 24 points... coulda been 27 if the SD FG kicker doesn't miss a gimme. But I mean, at least when Peterman didn't throw interceptions, he was getting 1st downs and not going 3 & out like Tayl... oh wait... yes he was

QBs in the NFL have bad games. They all do. Taylor's had 3 bad games out of 9 in 2017. That's not good enough... I think you'd rather see, at most, 3 in an entire 16 game season. But regardless, Taylor's the better option than Peterman by a mile and he's better than at minimum a handful of other NFL starting QBs. I don't really know what previously banned poster you are, but the blind bias is strong with you

Well good luck to McDermott explaining that to his vets