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Ummm... what??? Have you actually watched Taylor play? https://www.google.com/amp/billswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/02/bills-film-room-tyrod-taylor-play-action-falcons/amp/ Bills film room: Tyrod Taylor torched Falcons with play action passes

Depends on the combo. I think Andy Dalton is better because of AJ Green more than the other way around. Hell, Tyrod was better with Sammy. Don't know much, again, about Ridley, but sounds like he could come in and be immediately productive at WR. Because...?

Well I said draft a QB, too. Regardless, Deonte Thompson was our best WR this year by far and he ended up with by far the best year of his career. You wanna blame Tyrod for Jones's rookie yips and half a Kelvin Benjamin? Be my guest. Good stuff... thanks... and I see Buffalo as a potential fit even before we got Dabol.

All fair. I still respectfully disagree. And I made sure to read up more on the system. It just sounds like a system that is built to be spectacular and historic under a great QB like Brady and pretty good or better under a capable QB. I'm guessing we're going to disagree that Tyrod is a capable QB, so no need to quibble over something we're never going to agree on. But some more stuff I found: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigblueview.com/platform/amp/2016/7/15/12188564/summer-school-erhardt-perkins-offense-belichick-weis-parcells-brady-patriots "Fairbanks was a defensive specialist, so he entrusted the offensive side of the ball to Erhardt and Perkins who developed a quarterback-friendly system of passing. Their focus was on a run-first offense and a simplified passing game helped them dedicate their attention where they felt it was needed. The Erhardt-Perkins offense was born." and "The QB only has to remember the shape of the route combinations to understand the play, regardless of personnel in the huddle. Add to this the ability to run the ball out of any of these plays, and the offense can easily run the same play multiple times in a series with minimal worry. The simplicity gives the offense a huge advantage in no-huddle situations, while also maintaining disguises when they want to substitute personnel." and http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/erhardt-perkins-system-part-2/ "Simple to learn, simple to run, easy to call on the fly, hard to defend. It has evolved over the years from coaches Bill Parcells, Marty Schottenheimer, Bill Cowher, Bill Belichick and all his disciples. Consider the fact that Charlie Weis turned Brady Quinn and Jimmy Claussen into 1st and 2nd round picks with this system at Notre Dame." and "In the E-P system, there are no requirements, except for a competent quarterback. Any team in any system will take that. Joe Flacco is certainly a competent QB. You don’t have to worry about missing one guy and the system failing because of it." and "You can’t help but shake your head in awe at times when watching guys like Manning and Brady operate. They make it look so easy. They make it look easy because apparently, it is easier in their systems. Brown made mention in his article that a play-call in the Air Coryell system the Ravens run might sound like, “Scatter-Two Bunch-Right-Zip-Fire 2 Jet Texas Right-F Flat X-Q.” In the EP system, one word the Patriots use is “ghost” which a two man route combination, or “tosser” which is a three man route combination. That’s how these up tempo offense operate so smoothly. Brady is coming to the line shouting just two words, and everyone knows what they’re doing. It’s so much easier for the players to memorize, enabling them to get on the same page faster if unexpectedly called upon" and "The E-P system is a simple one. Take what the defense will give you. You can be a power running team one week, a spread out air raid offense the next, a balanced attack that keeps teams guessing the week after that. You can put up points in a hurry, or slow the pace down to a crawl. It doesn’t need specific personnel. Since specific types of players aren’t required, it opens up more possibilities when drafting players or signing free agents." and then I found this https://247sports.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/Board/102967/Contents/Erhardt-Perkins-Offensive-Philosophy-70429781 "No one asked, but I would vote for Erhardt-Perkins because it's easier to learn, and you get different looks without changing the reads. It's also easier to make changes at the line of scrimmage, which is good if you want an up-tempo style. Mike McCoy, brought it to the Chargers last year, and got a playoff season with Tim Tebow using it in Denver." So it made me look up how McDaniels was using it in Denver with Tebow... the descriptions in these 2 articles use Orton as the intended QB, but Tebow would take over in week 5 and lead the team to a 7-5 record in the rest of his starts and a playoff win http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fat-camp-the-erhardt-perkins-offense-part- "The EP is particularly known for using a lot of trapping and pulling by the offensive line. A dedication to running the ball was a traditional part of the system" and "The EP has often been linked with the Air Coryell offense to combine the aggression of a powerful running game with the constant threat to the defense of a deep pass. It’s a system that’s based in an aggressive, hostile take-no-prisoners approach to the game" and http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fat-camp-the-erhardt-perkins-offense-part-2 "McDaniels did in setting up his own preferences with some pretty standard EP principles - motion on the OL and both pulling and trapping, with aggressive run formations and scheme and a power running game that also protects the QB. " and "In terms of passing, the EP commonly uses a Coryell-based vertical passing attack that creates the time for those plays to develop (among other options) by freezing the D momentarily with play-action passing. Orton is particularly good there, and that may give him time to work through his progressions, which he can be slow at sometimes." Plenty more to read about. I don't think Tyrod is in any long term plans because I'm convinced we're going to draft a QB in the 1st. I don't think we're going to make a run at Cousins because of the cost and fact that he's never going to likely be better than a fringe top 10 QB. I don't think we make a run at Smith because he's really just not much better than Tyrod and we'd have to trade for him, though given McDermott's relationship with Reid it's certainly possible. I think this staff wants "their guy" to draft and groom and mold. And the rookie might just be thrust in as the starter right away. Who knows? Regardless of who our QB is, I'm really excited to see Dabol's iteration of this system because it appears to be a system a QB can have pretty immediate success with

Wasn't that similar to Julio Jones when he was at Alabama? Will Ridley just fall because Hurts was throwing to him or is it just not remotely similar to Julio?

Still disagree. The biggest knock regarding Taylor has been going through his progressions post snap. This system makes all the post snap stuff much easier for the QB because it sets the QB up with knowledge pre snap of precisely where his guys will be on every play and the system seems largely predicated on knowing where you're going with the ball before the snap. When Taylor has known where he's going with the football before the snap, he's been pretty decisive and accurate. When that 1st read is taken away, as that first article discusses, the WCO and Coryell systems might have different routes in different places on any given play whereas this system seems to set it up so guys are consistently in the same places depending on the passing concept, for which there can be as few or as many as an OC wants to include. That's the way I understand it, at least.

I just saw Daniel Jeremiah mocked him to the Panthers right after our picks in the first. I'm pretty convinced we're going to trade up in the 1st for a QB, but then I thought about how terrible our WRs were last year, realized after reading about Dabol's new system that the real difficulty is actually largely the skill position players rather than the QB adapting to the system, and then saw this mock (without really ever having watched him) knowing that he just played in Dabol's system last year and that the transition might be relatively seamless for him. Of course at this point not a chance we get Darnold or Rosen or probably Allen so how about Mayfield or Rudolph in the 1st with our 1st pick and Ridley with our 2nd? Hell, that might even be with a trade up to get the QB by giving up one of our 2nds and maybe a 5th, but what do you guys think of Ridley?

Big Ben is/was/and always will be better by a zillion than Bortles, yet the Jags beat the Steelers. Football is a Team sport

I disagree with your assessment, at least based on what I read in these articles. It seems like the E-P system is designed for success for just about any capable QB. But I also disagree that people are saying anything like "Tyrod is a fit" for this system in the sense that other QBs aren't. I think the point of the system is that it's designed to work for any QB but seems to require more intelligent skill position players who need to know all the formations, which is why I said it wouldn't surprise me if the Bills go out and try to get Burkhead, Lewis, Bolden, Amendola, or Slater when the Patriots inevitably let one or two of those UFAs walk in FA in a couple months. But regarding the QB specifically: http://grantland.com/features/how-terminology-erhardt-perkins-system-helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/ “In essence, you’re running the same play,” said Perkins. “You’re just giving them some window-dressing to make it look different.” The biggest advantage of the concept-based system is that it operates from the perspective of the most critical player on offense: the quarterback. In other systems, even if the underlying principles are the exact same, the play and its name might be very different. Rather than juggling all this information in real time, an Erhardt-Perkins quarterback only has to read a given arrangement of receivers. “You can cut down on the plays and get different looks from your formations and who’s in them. It’s easier for the players to learn. It’s easier for the quarterback to learn,” former Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis said back in 2000. “You get different looks without changing his reads. You don’t need an open-ended number of plays.” This simplicity is one of the reasons coaches around the league have been gravitating to the Erhardt-Perkins approach. and For many years, the Erhardt-Perkins offense was known as the original ground-and-pound, a conservative, run-first offense summed up by Erhardt’s mantra, “You throw to score and run to win.” The theory here is that no matter the formation, there is an outside receiver, an inside receiver, and a middle receiver, and each will be responsible for running his designated route. For the quarterback, this means the play can be run repeatedly, from different formations and with different personnel, all while his read stays effectively the same. Once receivers understand each concept, they only have to know at which position they’re lined up. The personnel and formation might cause the defense to respond differently, but for New England those changes only affect which side Brady prefers or which receiver he expects to be open. I don't know what happens, but I think cover_1.net pretty much nails my feelings about what's going on at OBD and what's going to unfold this season with Taylor: http://www.cover1.net/should-he-stay-or-should-he-go-qb-tyrod-taylor/ ...after the hire of Daboll as the team’s new OC, I think Tyrod’s odds to come back for his 4th year with the Bills just got higher. Tyrod clearly wasn’t a fit for Dennison’s scheme since the beginning. His struggles with the quick 3- and 5-step dropback passes were clear from the preseason. Dennison made adjustments during the season, using a lot of play action roll out plays to put Tyrod in space, but his offense never fully worked with Taylor as the QB. Now with Daboll, everything seemingly changes. Daboll likes to run the ball with power concepts, has experience working with a top college dual-threat QB in Jalen Hurts, and will surely know how to maximize Taylor’s skill set. Greg Roman and Anthony Lynn showed the Bills can have a top-10 offense with Taylor at the helm, and Tyrod surely showed Sean McDermott and GM Brandon Beane that he’s a model of a pro, a true blue collar presence in the locker room, always working hard and being a good soldier, even when things didn’t go well for him. He can be a limited passer, but it’s obvious a rookie QB can benefit a lot having a true pro like Taylor around. To this regime character matters, and Tyrod is impeccable in this department.

This is an idiotic post. What evidence do you have that Taylor is stupid? Besides, these articles really emphasize how QB friendly they are. To me, looks easier for the QB to grasp and harder for the other players to grasp. So, I wonder if the Bills, having brought Dabol in, will try to get one of NE's UFAs at one of the skill positions to be there to help teach the other Bills skill players. I see that NE has 3 UFA RBs in Burkhead, Lewis, and Bolden and 2 UFA WRs in Slater and Amendola. I wouldn't be surprised if one of those 5 guys are in a Bills uniform next year.

5 for 5 for 25 yards efficiently and effectively sucks. So poor example. No agenda at all. Replace Tyrod. Upgrade over him. Please. I'm really looking forward to seeing that happen at the end of April, possibly sooner. I just get annoyed by people who make stuff up. Taylor is better than Bortles. Maybe down the road Bortles gets better, maybe not. But right now Taylor's clearly better. Folks with agendas are some of those frothing at the mouth in this thread and that other ridiculous thread about Kornheiser's comments. Particularly guys like the OP, who appears to have been banned for the 2nd time under a new name.

Do the stats show differently because you're looking at raw production rather than efficiency?

Great overall post, but in reading both of these articles I'm seeing the likelihood of Tyrod being under center for one more year more likely rather than less likely. You say yourself that this system "makes it easier for the QB." I'm really not going to be surprised by anything this offseason, but I feel like those people talking Cousins or Smith as our QB in 2018 are talking very distant possibilities. Smith is certainly much more possible than Cousins, who is just a pipe dream, IMO. Regardless... draft a guy in the 1st!

I think Daboll is eager to work with whatever rookie QB we're inevitably going to draft in the 1st, but knows that for 2018, if necessary, Tyrod is a helluva lot better passer than the QB who just led Alabama up to the National Championship game. PS: Tua for 2020!!!

Yep. This system actually seems to be very adaptable to whatever QB is running the system. I guess that's the appeal.

Well, yes, this sounds essentially like a dumbed down offense that can be spiced up depending on players and QB. EJ, unfortunately, was just a serious choke job of a QB and seemed to fold in the most epic manners. Right, which is the way I understood what I read, as well. More QB friendly, Dabol just didn't have a QB who could actually pass the football competently until the 2nd half of the National Championship game.

Well... obviously. We just made the playoffs, isn't winning the Super Bowl the next natural step?

Gotta say, both of these were really interesting reads. It actually sounds like a system that has a ton of options yet, at the same time, really organizes itself and simplifies itself for all the offensive players, particularly QB. Sounds promising for some potentially quick success for a young rookie QB. McDermott hired him quickly... I assume there are reasons

I'm legitimately surprised more don't.

Good one

Wow... deja vu... I think I've read this exact post from you (wait, how many posts are you up to now under this 4th username in less than a year) 1,301 times now. Do you have early onset Alzheimer's or do you actually think it's pleasurable to repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and... Isn't this the very definition of a crusade and isn't this a violation of the CoC here at TBD?

It's a joke because, again, Bortles is the garbage time King. For as much as people want to complain about Taylor racking up his stats in garbage time, those same people damn well better weigh heavily the fact that over the last 3 years Bortles has racked up 3,882 yards and 29 TDs as a passer when his team has been down by multiple scores. It's a joke because if anyone, ANYONE objectively watched the Bills vs. the Jags, they would know that Bortles was TERRIBLE as a passer in that game. He torched the Bills on the ground because for some reason our team was completely unaware the guy is a great scrambler. But Bortles was missing simple wide open unobstructed screen passes to his guys. He missed MANY of them. Hooray, he got a TD on a 4th down play... so that one play means he outplayed Taylor, who watched 3 of his passes dropped, one tipped by a defender making a fantastic play on a very catchable football that was intercepted, and another completion be ruled incomplete because our WR was unaware his right foot was out of bounds? It's a joke. Taylor is better than Bortles. Yards? Great, you stick with your yards argument. The rational world has watched Bortles play.

The Bills were one of the most predictable teams in the NFL on 1st and 2nd down. Defenses almost always knew what was coming just like all of us sitting there screaming at the TV saying we knew what was coming next because it was obvious. Just look at the 1st quarter of the Jags game as an example where, despite not working in that game, Dennison decided to call that play action bootleg to the right 5 times. Again, that was in just the 1st quarter and IT DIDN'T WORK! You understand that type of play calling if it's working even though I think that was a fault of Dennison's, too, because if he has a play that works really well, he would literally call it the very next play and we'd get stuffed. The guy was just a terrible OC. I'm super glad he's gone. Shady had his worst year as a pro (which, by the way, was still really good) and it was primarily because of Dennison. Maybe Shady lost a little speed, but it's not his speed that makes him special, it's his elusiveness, which he clearly still has. Can't wait to see him back in a Bills uniform next year on his way to 12K!

This was a lot more Dennison and the OL than anything. And now Dennison has been quickly let go. Shady's worth it. Let him have it.