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And also a late interception in a game against the Jags where he had a chance to be what the OPs username is. whoops.... not so much... arm's too weak to make an NFL sideline throw to an open WR... happened in the Chargers game, too

I do get to say that because... well, pretty sure it's a free country still... at least at the moment. Besides, he does. He's atrocious. Taylor doesn't suck. He's just not a Franchise QB, which is why he'll be on another team next year if not this year.

troll troll troll troll troll.... total and utter crap, although I really hope they trade up for Darnold. Peterman sucks. McDermott and Beane know it. Change your username.

Because Josh Allen is incredibly raw and needs time on the bench, Tyrod Taylor is a helluva lot better than Kizer, and Taylor's contract would expire after 2018 so the Browns would get him for literally one year and then be free of him as Allen takes over. This way the Browns would be able to sell their fanbase that they're actually trying to win in 2018 with a capable vet QB and offensive talent one would assume they would have stockpiled with all their draft picks and FA while also having the QB of the future on the roster. That's why

I like your scenario for us and hope it happens

I don't want the Bills to spend a lot of money to get a veteran QB because I want them to trade up to 3 or 4 for Rosen or Darnold, but probably Darnold. My gut says that's what the Bills brass is planning right now and I suspect they'll keep Taylor on the roster til draft time to offer as part of a package to trade up to #4 with the Browns. The only vet QB we might acquire and still do this with is Alex Smith since his contract will expire in one year.

I don't think any light finally clicked. Keenum just ended up in an ideal circumstance on an incredibly talented team with excellent wide receivers and a spectacular OC who earned himself a HC gig with the work he did with Keenum. He is very likely coming crashing back to earth next year. The thing people might need to reevaluate is how much of an impact a great OC can have on a QB's game. So whoever we have under center next year, I hope Dabol is great. If he's as bad as Dennison, I don't know how much our QB can really do.

Won't be popular but I really really want to see the Bills trade up for "their guy." Give up draft picks. Trade players. Don't care. With at the moment this QB class looking like a 4-5 1st round talent QB class, let's get one of the 2-3 best, please. Get the QB, hope Dabol has absorbed enough Bellicheckian brilliance and pray McDermott continues to build this winning culture and all of that will trump talent deficiencies anywhere else on the team.

Right... ideally the Browns really do love Josh Allen as reported and then the Giants take Rosen (or no one...?) and Darnold ends up at 4. I think the Browns would actually be smart to make that trade for Taylor because, by all reports, Allen needs time on the bench.

Really? Be wary of making these types of hard line statements. I remember how this played out last year for everyone with this stance. http://m.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Top-5-takeaways-from-Sean-McDermotts-media-availability-at-the-Senior-Bowl/632e33c0-ef70-4b92-9a4c-d2c25ce2210c “I mentioned before the work ethic and intangibles that Tyrod brings to the table are very much appreciated and a big part of how we did things this year and what we were able to do,” the head coach told reporters. “I thought he did some good things.” McDermott also said this. This is going to be a long almost 2 months. I don't really expect the posturing from last year, but at the moment, I expect Taylor to still be on the roster around draft time as we go for a 1st round QB... unless we trade him as part of a package to trade up for Darnold.

I realize this is a discussion for another thread, but I disagree. I believe Bellicheck is significantly more important than Brady. I also think Brady and a lot of his offensive success and even comebacks are the result of coaching and situational awareness on Bellicheck's part. Tried to leave that as a minimal statement there

BLM... this is going to be a long offseason and I'm already tired. You're worried about talent more. I'm worried about coaching staff more. https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/195955-why-are-you-so-sure-we-arent-a-playoff-team/ In this thread I started before the year I started because I felt really good about McDermott. It looked like the culture change we waited almost 2 decades for. And he brought it because we made the playoffs with minimal talent compared to the other playoff teams. The Patriots prove it's about system and process and more players buying in than talent year after year after year after year. You look despairingly at other teams and QBs on those teams as though it would have been an apples to apples transition from those teams (like Keenum with the Vikes and Foles with the Eagles) to the Buffalo Bills with Rick Dennison as OC. These conversations are pointless and sometimes just flat out ridiculous because assuming ANY QB would have looked competent for an OC who called plays so often predictable that they complained about him in Denver and in his one year in Buffalo he drove the #1 rushing attack in the NFL into the ground from the last 2 years as we gained almost 40 yards less per game on the ground in 2017 from 2016 and in 2017 we led the league in runs by an RB of 0 yards or less!!! What I pray for is Dabol being the next offensive genius more than anything because if he is, he will elevate our QB, no matter who it is, along with our entire offense.

I don't know we agree entirely. I don't think Dennison has ever really had his successes. Kubiak was always the play caller, not Dennison. Those years you cited about top 10 passing offenses for Dennison were offenses being called by Kubiak, and everyone knew that... it was public. The last couple years Dennison was in Denver was when he got more play calling responsibilities and the last couple years Denver was bleh on offense. And Peterman being successful under Dennison?!?! Good God I hope we never have to see Peterman take another meaningful snap in a Bills uniform.

Except Frank Reich is the Offensive Coordinator... but under the offensive minded Doug Pederson... Dennison was the sole play caller and Broncos fans complained a lot about him, too. And Foles has kinda been able to follow Pederson and his offensive system around the league so it's something he's really comfortable with, which is hugely important. There were actually reports of Foles retiring in the last year or so. Good for Foles being in a system he's comfortable in and can thrive in (although it's funny how much people are raving over one game where he put up a ton of garbage time stats) and I hope to hell he and the Eagles can find a way to beat the Patriots. But Foles is still not a QB you go out to pursue... unless you have a history with him and run a system he's really comfortable in, ala Pederson and the Eagles. Let's just all hope whoever is under center this year can be immediately successful in Dabol's QB friendly system. He's a guy who seems ready and willing to adjust to what he has... whoever that may be. He's hopefully not a stubborn dinosaur like Dennison.

This is why I'll be minimally here over the next couple months likely til FA gets going. The conversations the next couple months are going to be pointless because everyone is going to use those hindsight goggles to say how we should have gone out to get Nick Foles or Case Keenum. Neither of them were worth getting then and still aren't worth getting. First of all, both of those guys are seriously products of the fantastic offensive players around them combined with excellent offensive play callers. Think Foles or Keenum seriously would have been successful with Dinosaur Dennison (who has NEVER had any real success as an OC, anyway and just got fired for a reason), twin stone hand Clay (good TE... problem with the dropsies) & Jones (who sucked this year... pray he's better next year), Jordan Matthews, an injured Kelvin Benjamin and Deonte Thompson as opposed to Shurmer (who earned a HC gig for his work with a blah QB), Rudolph, well good GOD just look at the contrast WRs of Diggs, Thielan, Wright, Floyd, Treadwell OR Reich (miss him) as OC & Pederson as an offe minded HC, Ertz & Celek, Agholor, Jeffrey and Torrey Smith. This goes without talking about how both the Vikings and Eagles have excellent offensive lines that have provided great pass protection. What's annoying is that I hope like hell that the Eagles win the Super Bowl while knowing people are going to suddenly idiotically start talking about Foles as a Franchise QB. Dude... he's a fringe starter at best who's riding the coat tails of all the players and coaches around him. Really hope the Eagles win. Doesn't change what Foles is. We want better in Buffalo and this is the offseason we finally do that rather than settling for retreads like Foles, Keenum, Smith or McCown! Darnold/Mayfield/Rudolph or bust!!!

... to the guy who thought it was serious and has probably been the main reason along with Shady for it still going

Yep... There are just some who are absolutely obsessed with talking about him, though

Hunh...? Subconscious error? Is your Taylor love truly coming to fruition?

Only one of those 4 teams made the playoffs and fired someone on the coaching staff. Know who? Play calling was a problem for the Bills and was a huge reason the Bills had the most runs of 0 yards or less on 1st or 2nd down in the entire league. But don't take my word for it... just tell me if McDermott retained his offensive play caller from last year

Rams and Bills both lost Wildcard weekend and are not like Eagles or Patriots, who are on their way to play in the Super Bowl

Now contrast the Jags playcalling when they went up by multiple scores with the Eagles going up by multiple scores yesterday against the Vikes. I really, really, really hope Dennison was primarily responsible for the fact that the Bills passed the ball over 4% less than the entire NFL when up by more than one TD and almost 8% less than the 18 teams that ended up with a record between 7-9 and 11-5. I hope Dabol persuades McDermott to have at least a little more of a foot-to-the-throat mentality when we're leading. It'd be nice to finally wrack up a ton of garbage time yards and points when leading the way the Patriots always do and the way the Rams and Eagles did this year as opposed to getting a lead and just holding on for dear life. Unfortunately, I don't think this changes much.

Stepping out of the Persona of the OP for a moment... Do we have anyone better? Nate Peterman sure as hell ain't it. Come to the middle where Tyrod Taylor is a QB we should be actively trying to upgrade on, but isn't nearly as bad as you constantly paint him. This is just going to be a long and really ridiculous offseason where people are going to paint QBs like Nick Foles, Case Keenum and Blake Bortles as much better than they really are. At this point, settling for a guy like Tyrod Taylor,Case Keenum, Nick Foles, Blake Bortles, Sam Bradford, or Alex Smith this offseason without doing everything we can to draft whoever McDermott/Beane/Dabol want at QB in round 1, even if it requires a trade up, would be one of the worst possible things we could do since it would ensure we'd likely be a middling franchise for years more with just random popup years of being really good the way the Vikes and Jags did this year; I mention those 2 because I think they both take big steps back next year. I want "the guy" at QB while also building up the roster. The Patriots and Tom Brady have just made it so that "only one Super Bowl" is going to mean a lot less in the future, unfortunately. The only way to get more than one of those is go get a great QB and build the roster. Right now I don't really care much about the Taylor discussion. I'm more concerned with whoever our longterm Franchise QB. That guy won't be Taylor, Case Keenum, Nick Foles, Sam Bradford or Alex Smith, it's going to be some rookie we draft in the 1st... there's a very small chance it's Cousins if we make a run at him in FA, but I don't think it'll be him because of cost and the fact that I think the staff wants a young guy who has a much higher ceiling. Now, our starter in 2018 might not be whoever we draft... it might be Taylor. It might be a vet FA QB, though I think that's less likely than Taylor. And I think if it's a vet FA QB, it'll be a cheaper guy like McCown or a guy like Alex Smith who literally has one year left on his current contract so there's a quick window out. If Taylor's still on the roster in a couple months, you and I can keep butting heads with Taylor talk. What's the point right now? So, for now, you can keep on increasing that post count of yours with what seems to be an unbelievable obsession with talking about Taylor with all your little one liners... I'll jump in with a post or two occasionally. But in the end, it's going to be the draft and the QB we should draft we should all be talking about because, really, that's what matters here.

Hey Hucklebuck, you're right, let's go get the next Tom Brady... in fact... nay... Let's get someone better damnit! I want 15 straight Super Bowls from whoever we draft starting NEXT YEAR!!! Must be easy to find, right??? I don't know what the point of this call out is. I've been excited about who we might draft in the 1st round at QB this year the moment we traded down last year and it became obvious that's the plan. I put the note in the OP this was largely tongue in cheek as a thread, anyway as an homage to a poster who's now apparently been banned a 2nd time under a new name. Alas, people look solely at a title and pounce.

WTF?!?! That's messed up!

Yeah I saw them smiling and laughing in the broadcast. Thought it was really weird. Yes, I do think there's a little bit of an effort and has been to get the Pats back in the Super Bowl. It was nearly the Jags & Bortles vs the Eagles & Foles... yikes!!!