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Seriously??? Unless Luck's shoulder is completely shot and/or a medical team rules he needs another surgery, the answer is obviously Andrew Luck... duuuuhhhh.

Holy crap... are there posters seriously arguing Allen's going to be the best in this draft class?! Ummm.... have you watched the NFL lately? Rookie QBs play and take fire in year 1. The best way for a QB to learn the game is on field experience with the bullets firing. Countless QBs have said this. And NFL rules are so QB friendly nowadays you can easily afford to do so if your team isn't in complete shambles and it's not a "project QB;" like Allen, who should sit if we draft him.

Hey guys... sooooo anyone think this ideal scenario I laid out in December might play out? Do we trade up with the Colts to draft a QB? Or, in an even more earth-shattering move, do we trade for Andrew Luck? Stay tuned

Yes yes yes yes!!!!!

As long as it's Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen as that top drafted QB, I'd be fine with it. Maybe McDermott can bring Joe Webb back as the #3 QB. Peterman would clearly be the backup at that point. Build up the team with talent, otherwise.

Thurm. Without question you are just incredible at evasive maneuvers. You were obviously and pretty clearly implying something by mentioning Duccasse, Humber and Zay Jones in the same breath as Taylor. So you respond to Stank's post that says this: And try to act as though he finally gets you when you still imply, pretty obviously, that Taylor's role was minimal and could be fairly compared with players like Humber, Ducasse, and Jones, which is absolutely preposterous. You are the King of wiggling out of admitting you say stupid stuff, which makes you look even worse than when you initially say it. As for my previous predictions regarding Taylor. Yep, ya got me. I predicted Taylor would still be on the roster unless the Bills had a clear and obvious upgrade. But it looks like with all our draft moves it's clear we're going to be drafting that upgrade in the draft somewhere likely in the top 5 when we trade up. I also predicted he'd still be on the roster because I didn't think the McDermott and Beane would get good value in a trade for him and they weren't just going to give a capable starting QB away for peanuts, unlike what some wanted them to do. So yes, I was wrong predicting Taylor would still be on the roster (even though I said they would definitely try trading him before his bonus was due and probably in an effort to move up in the draft ) and wrong predicting Taylor would still be on the roster until we had a clear and obvious upgrade (I don't even know if I said that this guy had to be on the roster at the time he was let go of... but you clearly want to be right, so I'll give you that technicality... even though they're obviously arguing that clear and obvious upgrade in the draft ) to take over at QB. So good for you Thurm. You're right on technicalities even if you ended up making a "dumb-on-the-face-of-it" comparison between Taylor and Duccasse/Humber/Jones

Who cares about rushing the rookie on the field at this point? Unless it's Jackson or Allen, let Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen start day 1 and take their lumps. It's what QBs do nowadays. KC last year was an anomaly. High 1st round rookie QBs don't need this time on the bench anymore and we can use the money we save from not spending a lot of money on McCown or McCarron on other positions like OL to strengthen the team and surround our young QB with more talent to succeed.

An expensive backup plan who's bound to cost way too much for his value in terms of both finances and trade capital... Yeah... no....

I'd be generally okay with McCown if we got him fairly cheap, but I think he'll go back to the Jets for another year now. I don't want Foles or McCarron. I want Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold. Or Andrew Luck.

Who cares? If the option is to trade into the top 5 for one of the top 3 QBs in this draft OR trade for Foles, why would anyone choose the latter???? As long as McDermott and Beane don't think Allen is worthy of a top 5 pick, ignore Foles, get a QB like Savage/Moor/Anderson and draft Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen and just let him roll under center from the start of the season.

I disagree. I don't want McCarron, Foles, or McCown because all will be fairly expensive and I want our rookie to start right away, unless it's Allen (GOD PLEASE NOOOO!!!!)... in which case, get McCarron or Foles who could start for a couple years potentially.

Good! I didn't want him. My only worry now is that we're going to be left without a serious viable starting QB because we're obviously drafting a guy. That might cause other teams to leverage us as we try to move into the top 5, which is clearly what we're doing.

Hope it's cheap... he's only starting for a year at best. And I really really hope this isn't a sign we're going after Allen.

Yessssss!!!!! Championship!!!! No... seriously :flirt:

Noooooooooooo!!!!!

Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen and Jackson can. Luckily, I'll put money down on us drafting one of those 4 guys

Understood and generally agree... except when it comes to Josh Allen. Drafting him terrifies me. If we do, I'll eventually get behind it as long as we have a good vet to start for a year. Still, we can have our preferences... Mayfield Darnold Rosen Jackson Rudolph ...in that order for me

Good.. he's probably getting way overpaid.

Really? Why? ...but... okaaaaaayyyyyy

Meh... okay... but I'm more inclined to get a sub par Matt Moore who's going to be uber cheap to back up Mayfield or Darnold when we draft him so we can invest our money elsewhere... like OL & WR.

I hope so He's my #2 Me too!!! But in the opposite order

Humber, Jones, and Ducasse didn't play nearly as big a role in making the playoffs as Taylor did. That much is obvious and trying to make it seem like they did is just dumb. Taylor is gone. He played the most important individual position on the Buffalo Bills team that finally broke the longest playoff drought in North American sports. He obviously gets a helluva lot more credit for helping break that drought than an LB who started like half the games this year, a pretty crappy guard, or a WR who touched the ball on a whopping 2.6% of the team's total offensive plays. That was a helluva great comparison, though

If you're trying to move on, why don't you just stop this fruitless endeavor of talking about him with others? The only vestige of a surprise... too funny... What they got for Taylor was utterly shocking... especially with the value people assumed Taylor had. McDermott and Beane have made all the right moves. They clearly wanted to upgrade over Taylor, but with a clear and obvious upgrade and not at "any cost whatsoever" as some painted it. The Bills got the 1st pick in the 3rd round for Taylor and with the Cordy Glenn trade, as well, it's clear Beane and McDermott have that upgrade in mind and they're damn well going to make sure it happens. This move was really a win win for all parties involved... one of those rare deals that truly becomes that. But based on what Buffalo was expected to get for Taylor, this was an absolutely stellar move and total no-brainer on Beane's behalf.

Rosen's injury history seriously concerns me, but most of all, I question his character, love for the game, and ability to be a leader of men. I realize you might just be dismissive of those concerns, but I think those things really matter for QBs. I won't hate us drafting him, but I'm going to be a little apprehensive.

Okay hang on a second... so is that right that we traded Glenn, moved up 9 spots in the first round to #12 and gave Cincy our 5th and got their 6th? Holy crap this is getting wild and crazy folks!!! Makin moves!!! Pretty clear McDermott and Beane are truly going all in on drafting our Franchise QB!!! Or could it be possible these are efforts to clear up Cap space to sweeten the pot for Kirk Cousins by also pointing to all our draft picks to build around him? Just... for God's sake.... please DON'T let it be Josh Allen!!!