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I really want to be clear about something: I love Moulds! I just think a lot of people are looking at former Bills WRs and aren't really considering the Allen aspect of this equation. Thus far in his career, Allen is more of a "see WR open pass the ball" QB than an anticipation thrower. It's worked very well for him to this point because his GM has surrounded him primarily with WRs who could separate due to speed or route running: Smoke, Bease, Diggs, Sanders. Even Davis was a separator in the way he could stack CBs vertically and how he operated in the scramble drill. Moulds was not a separator. He was tough as nails, had great hands, ball tracking ability and great open field vision. But separation wasn't one of his strengths. Go watch all the highlights of his time in Buffalo if you don't believe me. That's the main reason I didn't go with him. Now... the good news for everyone who chose Moulds is that in a lot of ways I think Coleman is very similar to what Moulds was, so we may get to see this in action. And I'm very excited about Coleman. Other than @HappyDays if you go back early in the draft process I think you'll find I was a very early defender of him as a stong prospect. However, we are going to need to see either Allen throwing with a lot more anticipation/trusting his WR more or we're going to have to see Coleman really excel in his routes and gain more separation. I have confidence one or both could happen. But for what I've watched in my 35 years of fandom I don't think there's a #1 WR who has separated from defenders in the way Stevie has.

Gonna be honest... totally forgot about TO. I think I'd probably go TO in his prime over Stevie if I'm strictly thinking about skillset. Really hard for me to look past his diva attitude and the relationships he had with his QBs in SF and PHI though.

I just don't think Moulds is the type of WR Allen loves throwing to. Love Moulds though.

There's a pretty good argument against our WR corps being better if you strictly look at the production we lost in Diggs and Davis. However, I agree with you. I actually don't think there's any argument against our WR corps as a whole being better and deeper. It's just going to be a question of what we get from our top end guys.

Obviously in their prime. I mean the easy answer would seem to be to just go with Reed or Lofton since they're HOFers. Never saw any WRs before those 2 so don't know about guys like Jerry Butler. I would want to consider skillsets and how they fit with what Allen likes in his WRs. I don't really think Moulds would have been the ideal fit. Peerless Price was a flash in the pan but for the very brief stint he was at his peak he might have been that ideal deep threat with size and speed we've been looking for. I would go with Stevie Johnson. His unique ability to separate and get open is similar to what Beasley was in his prime and I think Stevie would have been even better and more versatile in that role with the ability to go inside or outside.

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First of all... your AJE stats are factually correct, but the perfect example of how stats can be wildly misleading. 2020- 1 sack 2021- 1.5 sacks 2022- 6.5 sacks 2023- 6.5 sacks And yes... injuries have happened for both. Last season for AJE and the last couple for Groot. But consider how impactful both were pre-injury. And before we just waive both off as injury prone let's remember guys like Eric Wood who had consecutive years of weird freakish injuries to start his career and then played pretty healthy the rest of the way Are you an orthopedic doctor?

Okay can we all agree that something happened already that we think is only happening now? Von already came back from his ACL tear. That was last year. I don't think anyone with a brain would believe for a second that Buffalo’s highly trained doctors would give the medical go ahead for Von to play if he weren't healed. And what motivation is there really on the part of the coaching staff to put him back on the field to risk further injury? So this isn't a question of whether he has recovered. He has. Now the question probably has to do with a combination of Von regaining strength, flexibility and (maybe most importantly) confidence in that leg. He's reportedly not wearing a brace, so that's a good sign. That Von Miller is a freakish HOF athlete who has defied the odds throughout his entire career is what should probably give people more confidence he can come back and play at a high level. He looked like his HOF self at 33... the idea that he's a scrub at 35 after what will be nearly 2 years of rest and recovery is what seems ridiculous to me.

If you liked that you should also listen to this. Skip ahead to the 6th team they talk about... it's Buffalo. Only good things

I'll go over. I just think people have been ridiculous in their dismissal of Von. I believe he gets 6+ sacks. That leaves 14 for Groot and AJE to cover. If healthy, I think both have proven they're good for at least 6 sacks at this stage themselves. Over

I haven't listened to it yet but Patrick Moran's podcast Talking Buffalo yesterday interviewed Dunne about his interview with Beane. It's free for anyone

One of my favorite shows ever. Dark Matter is awesome! Sugar is pretty good... keeping my attention. And this is a really old show and probably doesn't belong here... but The League is ***** hilarious!!!

He's the best running QB in history. He's not the most dynamic, just the best. God I want him to get us a freaking Lombardi already so we don't have to keep the question "is he this generation's Dan Marino?" in the back of our minds.

Really stupid. Tweet has nothing to do with Buffalo. Him not being at ANY OTAs so far has something to do with Buffalo.

Haven't listened yet, but I would guess there are several backhanded compliments in his explanation for Allen at #2

First of all, if you don't watch The Athletic Football show, you should. Robert Mayes is an AWESOME host and that's my favorite podcast. Second, one little thing I thought that was really interesting in that interview was the fact that the first time Beane started talking about the WRs, he mentioned Chase Claypool and didn't even bring up MVS or KJ Hamler or Mack Hollins until the 2nd or 3rd time he was naming names.

(Sorry... this may or may not belong in Off the Wall) Is it an age thing? I don't think I can listen to anything but podcasts at this point. When I listen to music, it's just music I know that I create as Playlists on Pandora. My non-football podcasts are now down to Throughline and Freakanomics. Most of my podcasts are Bills/NFL related, though. Bruce Nolan and The Bruce Exclusive was my absolute favorite Bills podcast... but like right before the draft Buffalo Rumblings went kaput and he lost his platform. Even when he was on, it was only once a week for less than an hour... so not remotely time consuming. Which means I guess I would say Joe Marino's Locked on Bills is my favorite now. I have my gripes... primarily I just think he’s incredibly Robotic and lacks any real personality (unlike Bruce Nolan), but he tries to pretend like he has a lot of personality and he 100% knows his football with a background in scouting. He also has a daily podcast and comes up with pretty good ideas for them every day (the opposite of this would be Pat Moran's Talking Buffalo podcast, which just has a lot of useless, unentertaining time) and so I can say I legitimately listen to pretty much every episode. As for non-football podcasts, The Athletic Football Show with Robert Mayes as host (Nate Tice left just a couple weeks ago) is 100% by far the best sports (and maybe any???) podcast I've listened to. It airs 3 or 4 days a week and every show is informative and entertaining, even if it's non-Bills related. I just listened to a 90 minute podcast about the lingering questions of the NFC East and made it from beginning to end without the desire to turn it off. Mayes is a fun, knowledgeable, funny host who brings good guests on. I miss Tice, but the show hasn't missed a beat. There's also an Athletic Football show GM podcast hosted by Mike Sando featuring Randy Mueller. It's not as good but I listen to it and find it interesting and sometimes informative. Sando does a great job but Mueller has some bizarre takes sometimes... almost like he stopped watching football 15-20 years ago. A very close 2nd for the non-football podcast to listen to is The Mina Kimes show (featuring Lenny). She's an awesome host. Everything I said about Mayes applies to her. I understand there may be some bias one way or another since she's on TV, but she's really created an excellent listen for all the reasons The Athletic Football Show is. Only problem is that her's is only once or twice a week. How about you guys?

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See what I already said about time to recover off an ACL tear

What evidence do you have to suggest that Von Miller is a washed up bum??? I'm confused. Are you putting out that state about 10+ sacks for 35+ players because you think it proves something? If it does, I think it proves my point more than yours.

Yeah... this line of argument is silly. It looks at age in a vacuum rather than looking at the player individually. He was fantastic at 33 when he was on the field and healthy at 33. Last season was the year he was "coming off a major knee injury." At this point... what is at the moment 1 1/2 years separate from that injury and will be almost 2 full years separate from that injury once the season starts, I don't even think the injury is a factor in this equation. It's entirely age. And I've given my argument about the age thing already. He showed no signs of slowing down last time he was on the field and healthy in 2022 at 33 years old. 4.5??? Wanna make a friendly wager that he gets more than that?

I don't think Von wins DPOY, but I actually think the "Von is over-the-hill" narrative is head-scratching. Throw out his play from last season. History says that players take more than a full calendar year to fully recover from an ACL tear and often closer to 2 full calendar years to round back into form. We saw that happen with Tre White and it happens time and time again with players in the NFL. So the only argument regarding Von is his age. @GunnerBill said this offseason that Von is washed and he thinks there's something like a 5% chance Von has any impact on the team this year. That's really the way almost everyone feels. He's a complete afterthought. Do you guys not remember how Von was playing up until that Thanksgiving game in 2022???? It's not like he showed any signs of age whatsoever. The guy had 8 sacks in 11 games and was still a game-wrecker. Didn't look like a 33 year old pass rusher in any way. We know he works. We know he wants to win. And we know he believes in himself. I think Von is going to have a very productive season this year. He may not get double digit sacks, but as a DPR I could absolutely see him getting 6-10 sacks.

I said if no more spending. Can add in the Practice Squad money, which is at most $1 or $2 million, if that. Still leaves us over $20m. And again... I said if no more moves and we roll over the money we don't spend into next year. If we spend ALL our Tre White money and our remaining CAP, we'll still have $14m in CAP space plus the $8.5m if we cut Von with only Spencer Brown as our in-house remaining "big" UFA.

Anyone complaining about CAP space next year... Overthecap projects us at $14m next season. If Buffalo rolls over the Tre White extension without doing anything with it next month minus paying the rookie class we get about $9m. Plus everyone thinks we're cutting Von next offseason... if we do we get $8.5m in CAP savings. Over $31m in CAP space right there. Plus... could still easily restructure Oliver, Taron and Josh for a lot more money. And as far as FA go... the big one is really only Spencer Brown. Beane has set this team up for the future!