BullBuchanan

I cant find a single example of a strong armed inaccurate college QB prospect that resolved his accuracy issues in the pros and found success. I'm talking 80's+ In fact nearly all successful NFL QBs posted 60%+ in college. Allen is 2 points or worse below every decent QB I've found at 56%. I'd love to find an example. Help me change my mind. Help me find a player he could morph into. Ben Roethlisberger completed 65% in college so comparisons between him and Allen are about as accurate as Peyton Manning and Favre. Of the 30+ good/great QBs I researched, none improved their college accuracy by more than a couple points besides Drew Brees and his numbers were already great. That's my data - what's yours?

Historic data, friendo. You're betting on a thing that's never happened in modern NFL history to happen. Good luck.

When all historical data suggests that something will be a bust, it's usually a bad idea to go all in at a premium price. I've been scouring NFL history and records for a raw cannon armed inaccurate and unpolished QB that fixed it all and went on to great things and I cant find one. Not a single one. There are a lot of small accurate, smart players that improved arm strength, though.

He has everything I want except accuracy, sound mechanics, a winning history, the ability the process a defense, wr progression, the ability to carry a team on his back and a better than 2:1 TD/Into ratio against some of the worst schools in the country. Other than that though.

Go ahead and drop your life savings on powerball tickets then. It will be a brilliant investment strategy if it works.

You know Beane wasn't the GM last year right?

Are all the people that work in your profession highly skilled and excellent at their profession beyond rebuke? I know the ones that occupy my space aren't.

The draft is about capturing value and getting elite talent otherwise inaccessible via free agency. Allen neither represents value or elite talent. If you spend your entire life savings on powerball tickets it's a terrible investment even if you get lucky. The guy that makes solid investment moves over a lifetime will always come out ahead. That's the point.

Not really. Tyrod has the lowest YAC in the league over his career. He robbed peter to pay paul.

Mason Rudolph would have been better than Allen by September and likely his whole career.

These types of posts are the most unnecessary and useless of all posts on messages anywhere. You're telling us to wait and see, it could be better than it appears on it's face. Enlightening. Sure it could be, but it probably won't. I'm not interested in waiting 3 years to talk about whether or not this was a bad move. If it turns out to be a great pick 5 years from now, that's irrelevant. It was a bad move TODAY. They shouldn't be given a pass if they get lucky and the kid doesn't suck. He sucked in college, badly. history suggests he'll suck in the pros. The Bills had countless chances over the last 2 drafts to grab far more accomplished prospects, and instead they sell the farm for a kid from a farm, that still belongs on a farm. Allen at 12 would have been bad enough, Allen + two high second round picks is inexcusable. It was true in 2008 and a decade later it's still true: http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3350135

What evidence do you have to suggest it IS possible? History is against you. Even the greats like Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Roethlisberger and Brady had career accuracy numbers within a couple points of their college careers. I really don't think you appreciate how bad 56% really is.

We had a top 10 line last year...

I think Peterman has as much a shot of becoming Brees as Allen does of becoming Newton. The more interesting question I think is: if he becomes as good as Cam Newton is that good enough? My answer is no.

You seriously think Arizona would have taken Allen? I don't see them being so desperate to trade up to get their last choice. Rosen was the pick all along. Makes it that much more nauseating.

Not the ones who were imported.

That's a plus to wentz, not Allen. And his name is AJ McCarron. Using your brain doesn't hurt as much as you might think.

I think the "why" is the important part here. There are a lot of guys with huge arms pulling the night shift. What else can he do at an elite level?

i'm just really happy the Browns spurned the Bills for the 4th pick. The price must have been insane and it was definitely the same player. I would have had to go to the hospital.

Kinda funny to think they needed to pass on Watson last year so they could get ammo to trade up for Josh Allen. I guess it's just a different level beyond my comprehension.

D+ We traded 5 top 56 picks for a QB that has no skills outside of a big arm and a 19 year old LB prospect. Beane is a guy that loves measurables it seems, and there's a graveyard of NFL GM's that fell in love with Jeff George, JaMarcus Russel, and Brian Bosworth's of years past. The linebacker had a good year, and probably stands a reasonable shot to be decent. Allen on the other hand, it doesn't even feel fair to call him a bust candidate. He's a 4th round talent that became a darling.

Manuel had prototypical size too. He's a huge dude.

It was an awful lot to give up.

I have a feeling we'll know who he is in 6 games. That's about how long Manuel got. However, my hope is that McCarron makes Cinci look like fools and Allen never plays a snap.

I hope McCarron keeps Allen on the bench for his entire career as a bill and we trade his sorry Rob Johnson ass to the Jaguars for multiple 1rsts.