BullBuchanan

As someone that HATED Allen as a prospect, I thought he would be an utter dumpster fire with his big arm, sandlot style and lack of real success at any level. Happily, he hasn't been anything close to that. So far, he's been a big unknown, with some really solid play, but maybe only a couple really great games to his name (Vikings/Cowboys) - there may be more. A Tannehill/Dalton and maybe even Rivers situation can kill a franchise. Guys that aren't good enough to get you to the show, but are too good to easily dump are the types of players that keep teams mired in mediocrity. If Allen is ever going to be a great QB, he better show a lot of indicators of it this season, or else I expect them to look for those qualities in the 2021 draft class. I'd like to see Josh come in and drop 300 yards on a good team for the first time in a decade of Bills football. Hell, I'd like to see 400 yards and watch him embarrass a team that most folks had as a coinflip. More importantly I'd love to see him capable of throwing the team on his back when the rest of them start to fold. That, to me, is what makes someone a "franchise" QB.

In fairness to the kid, he was drafted into an awful situation and they quit on him after a single year with a dumpster fire of a team. Doing well there would've taken a herculean effort, and I can't ever recall something like that happening to a first round QB after his first season. The situation in which he found himself in Miami was no better, and arguably worse given the presence of Fitzpatrick. He'll probably need to hang around the league for quite a while now if he's ever going to get another real shot.

If he isn't able to take a positive step forward, he'll join a long line of Bills QBs over the last 25 years. This is a tough business and every year there's a new crop of potential first ballot Hall of Famers. If Josh isn't the guy, they shouldn't pass on the next Mahomes a 2nd time.

Careful.

Watson is no worse than the 3rd best QB in the conference. Putting him in the same group as the others is silly.

Buffalo fans ran a guy out of town that got dragged down by a team being ok with losing. "“We’re stuck in this mindset of just, you know, being OK with losing,” he said. “It’s really crept into myself… I feel throughout the year I’ve lost, lost the love of the game multiple times.” To think they they wouldn't burn a guy at the stake who quit the team during the playoffs is preposterous.

Barkley is the veteran guy/mentor , though.

Baseless? I referenced snap count, position on the depth chart, and stats over 2 games played and was met with "stats lie/you don't watch the games" And you want to talk about baseless? Like I said, it's boring, but keep on keeping on if it's how you get your thrills.

I mean that's factually incorrect, he was the 4th DT in snap counts Game 1 , 3rd in Game 2 and 2nd in Game 3. I'm not really interested in arguing about it anymore, though. It's beyond boring to have a small innocuous comment drag out pages when the data exists.

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-sign-dts-justin-zimmer-and-tanzel-smart

5M and 7.1M if I understand the rules for post june cuts correctly, but good point.

https://overthecap.com/player/star-lotulelei/2282/ How's that? Being that his 2020 contract was pushed to 2021, why wouldn't it be the $12.3 it is there?

That's fine, but I didn't start the comparison, Alpha did by suggesting Harry was the best DT on the team with no qualifier about role.

So, is that a yes or a no?

And take a $12M dead cap hit? I doubt it. I just want you to say here that Harrison Phillips was a better DT than Jordan Phillips last year. After that, we're all done in this thread.

I said that in the context of Star Lotulelei still being active. Vernon Butler signed a big contract coming here and was going to be no further down the depth chart than 3rd behind Star and Oliver. That would leave Phillips/Taylor/Jefferson fighting for 1-2 spots. You don't think fighting for 4th/5th DT position makes someone a longshot as a former 3rd round pick?

And it's impossible that if Star Lotulelei hadn't opted out the rotation this year could've been something like : Loutlelei - Oliver - Butler - Taylor - Jefferson?

Let's see how well this thread ages in a month.

How about that he ranked no higher than 3rd on DT snap counts during that time? I fail to see how it's controversial to suggest that a fringe player is a fringe player on a team that's been extremely aggressive at getting more bodies at the position. Once again, he's going to be no higher than 3rd on the depth chart. The fact that Star opted out saved that from being 4th as a best-case. I'm rooting for the kid, but it isn't some bananas theory that he could not make the team.

Our best DT through 2 games played with 3 combined tackles and a half sack? Ok man. Maybe go be offended somewhere else. This is a dumb hill to die on. Are you thinking of Jordan Phillips?

I really think he was a long shot to even make the team before Star opted out, given how many DT's they've got. I think his chance to make the team is drastically improved now, but I just don't think he's been anything special so far. Kyle took a few years to get going, so there's still hope, but its far form a sure thing. They did just sign two more today, so they obviously aren't satisfied with what they have at the position.

To the Patriots in the 7th round.

More or less. Missed his whole rookie year, but after that it was clear he was going to be very good. I'm not trying to drag Knox here but it shouldn't be a shock to anyone, him included, if he's out of the league in a couple years. So few tight ends with high potential make it. and while he had some really nice plays last year, we should not in any way count on him to become a pro bowler at this stage. I really hope he does though, because I think we all love his style.