BullBuchanan

Getting an authoritarian Russian asset and criminal out of the White House vs an asterisk denoted championship? I'll take the best interests of my country.

So just more personal attacks, and no evidence to refute mine then? I have never once seen you create a single post of substance.

If they aren't defined by violence and political motivation, what then? To be clear - you've said the police as a group are good people with a few bad apples The data makes it clear that they've killed exponentially more Americans than every than every terrorist organization combined Their own words say they are in a "battle of good vs evil" The FBI has found significant levels of gang and white supremacist involvement within the ranks of the police There are countless videos showing groups of dozens or more police instigating violence or refusing to intervene while they watch other members commit violence They settle thousands of cases of police misconduct for millions of dollars at taxpayer expense They are routinely caught covering up badge numbers to prevent identification and turning off body cameras to prevent their actions from being witnessed by the public Pretend for a second that you were raised somewhere else and that as small children we weren't repetitively told by media that police are good people and heroes and that we should aspire to grow up to be one of them. Pretend for a second that you don't know a police officer who happens to be a nice guy to you or who did you a solid once. Once you've put yourself in that space, take a look at the actions of thousands upon thousands of police officers who have been videotaped and/or credibly reported doing the above things and tell me that you still think that police are the good guys, and the people protesting their behavior are the "violent thugs" and "terrorists". If you still think that - why? At what point would your opinion change? Is there a magic number, or a certain event that would have to occur?

No shocker you failed science.

Why exactly is that going off the deep end? We have a thread on this very site that labels ANTIFA a terrorist organization. ANTIFA has been responsible for 0 deaths in the last 25 years. Al Qaeda and all official terrorist organizations combined accounts for 3393 American deaths across 21 years. 88% of which occurred on 9/11 American Police kill over 1000 americans per year. Across the same time period this would be a conservatively measured 20,000 American Deaths. This isn't my opinion - it's addition. You’re not supposed to talk about this, though. But the data are what the data are. Believe in science. So you're trying to tell me black people are stopped by the police more than white people? Yes, I know. You're approaching the point of understanding what systemic racism is. Keep reading. Your source claims that 100% of homicides in St Louis are committed by black people? Is this a Klan website?

Why? Can you refute any of my evidence? I gave you a 10+ point list in the defund thread as my justification why this is absolutely not a case of 1 isolated cad cop out of hundreds of thousands of Andy Griffith cops. This is all ***** that happened, from major news sites, backed up by the police themselves in most cases. Just because it doesn't fit your agenda, it isn't valid I guess.

Isn't Al-Qaeda bad just because they have some members that did some bad things?

Jon Mattingly, member of Louisville branch of organized terrorist police group who murdered Breonna Taylor sends an email to 1000 member sof law enforcement. In it, calling protestors thugs and pitting the police department directly against the people of Louisville by way of his statements against the Mayor, the duly elected representative of the people. It's interesting that this scumbag who murdered someone takes no responsibility for his actions, but instead blames the mayor for failing to back his play. To somehow still still yourself as a beacon of light in a dark and evil world after you murdered an innocent woman who worked every day to save lives, is mind-blowingly oblivious. The world is not evil, but Jon Mattingly is. He says he did the right thing that night. He refers to Breonna Taylor, an innocent woman as a criminal. He murdered an innocent woman and says he did the right thing. How long are you going to keep defending this *****, Jim? "I’m not here to give you a Rah Rah you got this speech. I’m not here to tell you that you signed up to help this community and to keep your head up. I’m here to tell you I’m sorry you have to go through this. I’m sorry your families have to go through this. I’m sorry the Mayor, Amy Hess and Chief Conrad failed all of us in epic proportions for their own gain and to cover their asses. You DO NOT DESERVE to be in this position. The position that allows thugs to get in your face and yell, curse and degrade you. Throw bricks, bottles and urine on you and expect you to do nothing. It goes against EVERYTHING we were all taught in the academy. The position that if you make a mistake during one of the most stressful times in your career, the department and FBI (who aren’t cops and would piss their pants if they had to hold the line) go after you for civil rights violations. Your civil rights mean nothing, but the criminal has total autonomy. We all signed up to be police officers. We knew the risks and were willing to take them, but we always assumed the city had your back. We wanted To do the right thing in the midst of an evil world to protect those who cannot protect themselves. To enforce laws that make it possible to live in a peaceful society. We as police DO NOT CARE if you are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, what you identify as...this week. We aren’t better than anyone. This is not an us against society, but it is good versus evil. We are sons, daughters, husbands, wives, parters, brothers, sisters, dads and moms. We are human beings with flaws, feelings and emotions. Now I’m just rambling, but I want you to know that I’m still proud to be a cop. To be an LMPD cop. No matter the ineptitude in upper command or the mayors office, this is one of the greatest jobs on earth. With that being said these next few days are going to be tough. They are going to be long, they are going to be frustrating. They will put a tremendous amount of stress on your families. Do not let your ego get you in a trick bag. Have your partners 6. De escalate if possible. DO NOT give the pencil pushers at the top, you know the ones who are too scared to hold the line, a reason to open investigations on you. The same ones that couldn’t make decisions to save their lives. We need leaders that lead from the front and not in a room under a desk. Do what you need to do to go home you your family. Just do it with dignity and make sure you can justify your actions because everything down there is recorded. I don’t know a lot of you guys/gals but I’ve felt the love. Regardless of the outcome today or Wednesday, I know we did the legal, moral and ethical thing that night. It’s sad how the good guys are demonized, and criminals are canonized. Put that aside for a while, keep your focus and do your jobs that you are trained and capable of doing. Don’t put up with their *****, and go home to those lovely families and relationships. I wish I were there with you leading the charge. I’ll be praying for your safety. Remember you are just a pawn in the Mayors political game. I’m proof they do not care about you or your family, and you are replaceable. Stay safe and do the right thing. YOU ARE LOVED AND SUPPORTED by most of the community. Now go be the Warriors you are, but please be safe! None of these “peaceful” protesters are worth your career or freedom. God speed boys and girls." https://www.wave3.com/2020/09/22/jon-mattingly-officer-involved-breonna-taylor-shooting-sends-candid-email-lmpd-colleagues/

Who do you want to bench for him?

My argument that it is systemic - that excessive violence is in fact inherent to being a police officer. I also further claim that leniency in bias of officers is also systemic within the court system. I've also posted the supporting evidence numerous times, but I'll do it once more. As for the sources, I'm not going to waste my time just to get trolled. American police kill more people per 10M citizens than any other developed nation Our police kill the 6th most overall and we aren't in good company Beyond just death, incidents of police brutality and excessive force is a major concern, but empirical data here is tough to capture the extent. There are many documented incidents of police covering badge numbers at protests We rank at the bottom of all developed countries in the World Press Freedom Index Hundreds of journalists have been documented being attacked and arrested by the police while covering the protests. There are dozens and dozens of videos of police instigating violence in the presence of large groups of fellow officers, several of which I've posted and those officers do nothing to address the conduct of their fellow officers. They either do nothing, or they join in. The extremely similar documented video evidence of police violently escalating situations in groups would seem to imply that in these cases the escalating violence is part of the training, part of the hiring, or both. The extremely similar tone and messaging exposed by police when they aren't aware that they're being recorded shows a pattern of beliefs and thought process The FBI has found gangs and white supremacist organizations imbedded within police departments Not every single cop is a skinhead, maces children, peppersrays an entire group peaceful college students in the face, kills an innocent man's dog, violently attacks journalists, utilizes kettling techniques to instigate violence, commits murder, beats their wives and kids, and on on. For the cops that aren't though, it doesn't seem to be a deal breaker to work with these people and back their play. That's why it's systemic. There are a lot of police in this country, a lot. It should be expected that are certain amount of them are indeed just bad hires that slipped through the cracks. That's not what I'm on about here. I'm talking about a culture that attracts and promotes violent behavior and does every single thing it can to prevent owning their mistakes and punishing those responsible. Despite what some have suggested, I'm not trying to promote anarchy - quite the opposite really. I don't want murderers, rapists, and abusers on the streets I want law enforcement, but I want just enforcement. Just because you are a suspected criminal doesn't mean the police should be able to beat the ***** out of you or end your life. They are not judge, jury, or executioner, and they get things wrong - a lot. The amount of misconduct cases settled per year are in the thousands and the cost to taxpayers is staggering. I seem to be in the minority here but I don't think fleeing from police or even resisting arrest should be signing your own death warrant. Force should be commensurate with the danger a person currently poses in order to protect others first and yourself second.

Shreveport branch of organized terrorist police group charged in the negligent homicide of a man with a mental disorder. "McGlothen Jr. died April 5. The Caddo Parish Grand Jury on Friday, returned indictments against four Shreveport Police Department officers in connection with his death. Treona McCarter, Brian Ross, D’Marea Johnson and James LeClare are charged with negligent homicide and malfeasance in the death of McGlothen, 44, following an incident with a homeowner in the 3700 block of Eileen Lane. McGlothen, who had a known mental condition, died at an area hospital a short time after his detention and arrest by the officers. In reviewing the case, Caddo Parish Coroner Dr. Todd Thoma determined McGlothen’s death was preventable in that the responding officers should have known McGlothen needed medical treatment. The officers had, in fact, been notified of McGlothen's mental condition during the first of three encounters with officers within a short time span. In each encounter, McGlothen exhibited signs he was a mental patient in need of medical treatment, according to information provided by the coroner’s office." "In this instance, the SPD officers used excessive force in violation of SPD Taser policy; used excessive use of physical force that was injurious to McGlothen when it was unnecessary; failed to call for medical assistance; and placed McGlothen in the patrol cruiser on his head, limiting his ability to breathe. Finally, the officers failed to transport McGlothen to the hospital or call for paramedics for transportation to the hospital for care and treatment." https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/crime/2020/09/18/shreveport-police-officers-indicted-tommie-mcglothen-death-a-black-man-who-died-in-custody/5828034002/

4 more of that "vast majority" of good cops I bet https://www.yahoo.com/news/four-louisiana-police-officers-indicted-122635067.html

Why does the manner in which they get killed excuse them from violence, and if that's your argument why don't Taxi drivers who are the victims of homicide at a rate 66% higher than police not excessively violent? So no you're saying no one gives them a pass for violence? Have you looked at my police brutality thread? It's nothing but excuses up and down. You personally have commented on the dangerous nature of their jobs as an excuse for their violence. And then you want to make the "few bad apples" argument. How? How on earth do you know that the "vast majority are great at what they do"? What gives you that confidence in the face of extraordinary evidence to the contrary? We rank higher than every other industrialized nation in citizens killed by police per 10M. There are hundreds if not thousands of recent videos where groups of cops acted irresponsibly or violently or watched it happen and did nothing. Seriously, at what point do you say the problem isn't a few bad people but a problem with the organization? Donny, you're out of your element.

It seems you're confused about what's being talked about here or you're looking to prop up a strawman. Police using commensurate force in self-defense is not the target of anyone's ire here, or in protests.

I had that exact thought as I listened to Brian Cox's McDonald's commercial. Like, what are you doing?

Week 1: B+ Week 2: A+ When people roasted me last week, asking what more he needed to do to get an A or better rating - this was it. Great job, Josh.

What does breaking the law have to do with violence? Tons of professions deal with people that are "sometimes carrying weapons" - Teachers for instance and Taxi drivers Farmers may not get murdered by a stalk of corn, but they get killed and maimed at a pace that DRASTICALLY exceeds that of police getting killed by a suspect. Around 24 per 100k workers How many loggers get run over by trees? about 400 per year or 87 per 100k workers How many fisherman die on the job? around 75 per 100k workers How many electricians get shocked to death by a wire? 8.4 per 100k, but power line installers are at 18.6 per 100k Roofers? They die at a clip of around 45 per 100k on the job Now let's talk about police. How many died in the line of duty in 2019? 89 or around 11 per 100k So, more than an electrician, but less than every other job on the list. Now of course we've got the whole fighting violent criminal aspect, though. Right? Not really. Of the 89 police officers killed in the line of duty in 2019, only 48 of them were killed feloniously. The rest? Mostly car accidents. So the rate at which police are killed in the line of duty by a criminal? 6 per 100k workers. Six. COVID on the other hand has killed 12.6 police officers per 100k workers. You know who actually gets killed by homicide more than the police? Taxi drivers at a clip of 10 per 100k, and around 14 per 100k when you factor in accidents So, police are less likely to die or be seriously injured on the job than about 15-20 other professions, and they're 66% less likely to be killed by way of homicide than a taxi driver, so help me understand why we give them a pass for unbridled violence?

I'll be satisfied when an act of police brutality is a genuine shock. I've said it before police work may be high pressure and it may be dangerous, but it ranks no higher than 15th in serious injury or deaths per 100,000 and yet they're the only profession that has an endemic amount of extreme violence closely associated with it, but also excused as a result of stressors from the job. Why do we expect people who work similar or even more dangerous jobs to stay calm and collected under pressure like farmers, loggers, fisherman, electricians, cab drivers, pilots, roofers and why don't we excuse their incidents of extreme violence as a byproduct of their dangerous jobs? Why do police get a pass for excessive violence? From reports I've read and conversations I've had with military members who have served in combat, their rules of engagement and the deployment of extreme or lethal force seems to be stricter than that of US police. Is that your perception and do you think that's the way it should be in a civilized country?

wow! Sounds like a NHL Coach. Not your usual scared to say whT color the blue sky is NFL Coach. now attempting to piece together the thought process... Maybe...and we have seen when a QB comes unexpectedly Off the bench they do many times have success in that specific game. maybe Lynn feels that with prep time the opposing teams will not let Herbert look as good and if Herbert really isn’t ready for the full spot light then Lynn will be having to bench his Rookie and that would lead to all sorts of other isssues. Lynn has made a ton of boneheaded calls at the helm of an NFL team, but this is just such a bizarre hill to die on. Maybe he believes that this endears him to the veterans in the locker room or something as a player's coach, but I'm pretty sure they all know that Tyrod isn't leading them to a Super Bowl. For sure I understand taking a measured stance and not going all-in Herbert here, but he's swung so far the other way it's almost like he believes Herbert has no business playing for this team. When the inevitable time comes for him to assume the starting role, how exactly is that message delivered and sold?

I also agree on better training for de-escalation. Based on a lot of the body cams that have come out over the years though it seems a lot of these controversial interactions with police aren't as much police with good intentions who just don't know how to de-escalate as much as it is police officers who take violent approaches because that's what they set out to do. Maybe that's more in the realm of conditioning or maybe it's part of the hiring process, but I do think there are plenty of examples we can look at where police took a very violent approach when many options were available. ------- So you say that if we remove funding from police that the "ONLY correlation" is that they are going to be abolished. Ok. I think it's a little more nuanced than that, but let's go with that. The point then is that funding is essential to the operation of a service then, and to remove the funding necessary to provide it, you're essentially removing the ability to provide the service?

Should this cost Anthony Lynn his job? Don't get me wrong, Tyrod seems like a great guy and he's a good QB to have on your roster, but what exactly is Lynn thinking here? They drafted Herbert 6th overall and he played lights out against the SB champs. He never looked like a kid in his first NFL action to me. I know that Lynn's statement may have been looked upon like boilerplate coach speak in the past, but these days it seems ridiculous that you would go out of your way to defend your journeyman "starter" of 1 game when his rookie replacement played as well as he did. https://sports.yahoo.com/anthony-lynn-risks-qb-controversy-with-hardline-stance-on-justin-herbert-214417416.html

I mean to say partial funding - typo that I fixed. What I believe is already out there, and I've been called every name in the book for it. What I'm interested in is what you believe. You made a point earlier : It seems you draw a pretty strong correlation between wanting to remove police funding and abolishing the police. Why?

I did NOT define it as "partial funding". Why can't you agree with a definition in the dictionary without putting your spin on it. We can't even get to what I'm asking for if you think a dictionary is not a reliable source.

Are slogans exclusively the creation of "the left"? Did they create: Lock her Up Build The Wall MAGA MAGAA - lol? Come on man. Stop trying to make everything political - especially biased in some sort of weird pro-republican way.

It should change the entire response. You're making a false claim with the implication that I've tried to change the definition of a word by using its literal definition.