BullBuchanan

nope.

Shovel work wouldn't make Breonna Taylor be alive today, but it solves other systemic problems They shouldn't have even been there. The entirety of their case was hinged on a supposed package being picked up at that apartment. Given that they found no evidence of any kind in the apartment it stands that their entire prep for the case was dog****. If they had information that a package was supposedly picked up, they should have had information about who lived there. If they had information about who lived there they would have known her boyfriend was a legal gun owner. Why would you break into a legal gun owners house in the middle of the night with a mere suspicion that there could be drugs there? There could be drugs anywhere. There are drugs in millions and millions of people homes, but not in hers. That's not a reason to break into a home in the middle of the night. The only reason to do that is to look for the outcome the got. Given the manifesto of one of the officers who murdered her, I have no doubt about that. You think there might be a drug operation? How about you watch for a while? How about you go during the day? How about you wait for someone to come to door? How about you act like a goddamn human being instead of a wanna be GI Joe? 100% of the handling of the case was wrong from the intel, to the prep, the execution and the resolution. The worst part about it is that this miscarriage of justice happens all the time, as I've highlighted in this thread, and without significant change it's going to keep happening. You seem to fit all the criteria.

Clearly not - Born and raised in Buffalo. How can I deny an openly far-right think tank? Gee, let me count the ways.

I'm staunchly pro-union. The police union, however, operates at the expense of the public good. There needs to be significant change there. which of my ideas are not practical and silly? I didn't invent them - I pulled them from existing models or practices. I'm not sure how much bureaucracy there needs to be here. You need a small rotating panel of 5-9 citizens who review the police department and they should have some powers to act on improprieties. Police already have body cams, make them mandatory and remote controlled. They already create recruiting materials, just make them not "Operation Baghdad" and we're good Police spending more time working a shovel and less time working a gun does two things. It makes the job less desirable for wanna-be GI Joes, and it increases the liklihood that police build a relationship with the people in their community. I don't have the feintest idea what any of this, or bullet points, has to do with Mao.

So, police around the country did not kneel in solidarity with protestors for a bunch of cameras and then deployed chemical weapons and assault them moments later after the press left? Basketball Cop didn't assault a black teenager?

An elimination of official training by Dave Grossman, and any such training that teaches police that their role in society is to be a soldier in a warzone or a caped crusader where they are in a battle against evil. Removal of Qualified Immunity. We can't have public servants that are lawfully above the law. Related: The end to leniency of indictments and sentences of officers who commit crimes. Because police serve the public, they should be held to a higher standard than any normal citizen. A crime committed by a peace officer should be considered a violation of the public trust. Civilian oversight of all police organizations with the power to recommend direct action to prosecutors and alternative means to go around corrupt prosecutors A civilian review of each police department for patterns of systemic issues related to leadership as well as a review of individual officers Removal of police unions: A public servant does not need a union to protect themselves and shield their activities from the public. They should have an advocate and measures in place to ensure fair workplace and labor standards, but it should not be a traditional union. Mandatory body cams that officers cannot disable. In the event a bodycam malfunctions, they should not be given the benefit of the doubt. Public review of recruiting practices and the elimination of glorified violence in recruiting supplements enhanced de-escalation training, non-lethal self defense and disarming training, and reworked lethal force procedures A mandatory amount of public service within the community they serve

I wonder how many of them are frauds like "Basketball Cop"? I have a hard time buying these pieces of feel-good propaganda when several of these high profile cases have turned out to be nothing more than a stunt for the camera. You understand that a lot of people, even ones that most people would consider bad people, do good things on a regular basis, right? Doing good things doesn't mean ***** all if you spend your day perpetuating a culture of violence on defenseless people. Maybe it helps you get to sleep at night, but it doesn't make you a good person. https://www.wcjb.com/content/news/GPD-basketball-cop-under-fire-for--571282471.html

Cop shoots dog fenced in on its own property after allowing his own dog to approach. Detroit police command told FOX 2 the family's fence was too close to the sidewalk, according to city ordinance. "That's their territory they're defending their territory, it is not based on the breed of a dog," Sumpter said. "I have a beagle. They can be fence aggressive or fence reactive." Sumpter says better communication between the police and the dog's owner before the search for the weapon, and more control of the animals by all would have changed the outcome. "It's heartbreaking that people would blame the animals because humans are in control in this situation," she said. Per protocol, the case is being reviewed by the Professional Standards Department within DPD, then it will be handed over to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office for review. https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/detroit-police-bodycamera-shows-dog-attack-of-k9-officer-that-led-to-shooting

I'd love to play poker with you if those are your reads. As long as you had a ball gag in your mouth, anyway.

Why do you think I'm a Canadian? Is that degree of yours written in crayon?

You're such a terrible liar, and a piece of filth as a human being. The police broke into a home unannounced in the middle of the night. A home where no crime was committed. Her boyfriend fired a single shot, thinking that their home was being broken into, and the police returned fire with 18 ***** rounds, murdering an innocent woman. Do you know why the Grand Jury didn't indict the police officers on murder? Because there's no evidence to suggest that a prosecutor even raise it as a possibility. If you had the slightest clue what you were talking about, you'd know that Grand Juries will return a "No True Bill" on refusals to indict. This almost certainly means that the prosecutor did not intend to seek charges. “The police knocked and announced themselves, and a witness heard them.” In what was probably the most frustrating part of Cameron’s press event, he cited a single witness who claimed to have heard the officers identify themselves as police. I spoke with Taylor’s lawyers in June, who at that time had interviewed 11 of her neighbors. Many lived in the same apartment building as Taylor. According to the lawyers, no neighbor heard an announcement. The New York Times interviewed 12 neighbors. They found one — just one — who heard an announcement. And he only heard one announcement. He also told the paper that with all the commotion, it’s entirely possible that Walker and Taylor didn’t hear that announcement. Cameron neglected to mention any of this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/ I don't see it as a threat, I see it as verifiably false.

Another Texas terrorist gang cops pulling a gun on a bunch of kids at a pool party before assaulting an unarmed girl.

I have an engineering degree, but then again I don't see any viewpoints counter to my own as a threat or "subversive" I've never even heard of the bull#### you claim in real life outside of conservative news and boomer cults. American Universities are late stage capitalism in action.

You must have never attended college.

We did it and continue to do it through our collective silence and condoning of police violence. Unlike those other folks you've mentioned, getting rid of Antifa is the simplest thing in the world - end the culture of police violence and the system that allows them to commit it with impunity. Do that, and they'll vanish in the wind, just as they came. Given the recent ruling on Breonna Taylor, it seems no one really wants Antifa gone that badly.

Of course not. I hope I haven't discounted it at all. Look I'm generally a massive fan of unions. They have their problems, as you've mentioned, but without them we wouldn't have a whole host of labor protections and advancements for workers. I think every private sector employee should have access to a union and we should fix the problems they currently have. My grandfather and uncle were able to make good money and raise families through periods of economic uncertainty thanks to their union, and their pension has provided them with a retirement few non-union employees are likely to have the good fortune of receiving. However, I believe the role of the union is to protect the employee form the employer and act as their representative. In the case of the police, their employer is the people. There should be no middleman lobbying on behalf of an employee of the people to our elected officials. It's a direct conflict of interest. There needs to be far more public oversight into the actions of the police, not less. That said, while the police union is a massive problem, it would be less of a problem if there were less bad police, and there would be less bad police if the bad ones were only recruited instead of being trained by people like Dave Grossman.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2020/06/11/martin-gugino-75-year-old-pushed-buffalo-police-has-brain-injury/5345876002/

It's a good thing they weren't cops or they may have given her brain damage.

I hear what you're saying and I understand where you're coming from. Just because someone who commits crimes works a specific job or is of a certain religion or race or sex does not mean that everyone who does that job or is of that race/religion/sex etc are also criminals. I completely believe in that. However, police officers are not independent contractors. They only exist within forces. Those forces all have unions and their politics and procedures are shockingly similar from one city or state to the next. The point I've working on in this thread and others is that the recruiting tactics, training materials, behavior of officers, responses from unions, lack of repercussions for offenses, proclivity for violence, and leniency of the court systems seems to propagate across every department in the country. Much in the way the Catholic sexual assault ring did. Police Officers may be individual people with their own stories, but "The Police" is a monolith. I won't deny that you can be a good person who has lived a life of virtue and kindness who happens to join an organization where these things take place. But can you continue to be a good person, while choosing to join one of these organization where these things take place and you knowingly ignore or participate in them yourself? I make a very strong accusation that to back the play of monsters is to be a monster yourself. If someone wants to make an argument for why that isn't the case, I'll listen to it, but I haven't heard one.

More of the "vast majority of great cops"

Of course not, it's about power and control. At no point did I make a claim that police exclusively exist to be a racist organization. They exclusive exists to be a violent terrorist organization, that happens to be racist an awful lot. Thanks for proving my point about the violence though. Got any more stories? lol, nice Qanon story. Here's the real ANTIFA

Oh I'm fully aware violence doesn't equal death, and you've refused to grasp that concept. What you fail to understand is that contradiction of your own statements. Since ANTIFA "SOLE purpose" is not to commit violence, they shouldn't be on your list, but they are. Meanwhile the FAR more violent police force that brutalizes and kills americans EVERY SINGLE DAY are "mostly great at what they do" and "good people" You probably thought these were "some very fine people" as well. And for the record, the reason I started this thread was to point out the absurdity that while this board has labeled ANTIFA a terrorist organization, there has been a hundreds year old terrorist organization subsisting off of taxpayer funds as part of our government guilty of far worse crimes including, but not limited to, tens of thousands of deaths.

Yet you have absolutely no problem, and in fact encourage, labeling ANTIFA, a decentralized movement whose entire existence is based on defending people from government sponsored violence, who are responsible for 0 deaths as a terrorist organization. Meanwhile, your police force, over the same period of the last 25 years, whose sole objective is to deprive citizens of their life, health, money and/or freedom, has been responsible for ~25000 deaths.