Real McClappy

Right, you convinced me. What Defense might that be in the AFC come playoff time?

No, your post I replied to said KC's drawback is their Defense and it's not true for a club that is about to be 7-1 at the midway point of the season. This isn't 1985, you either score or lose. People are all caught up in D like it means Squat. It's really easy to go to NFL.com and look at PF and PA to see the glaring truth but whatever.

And still down by 2 scores. What is your point in all honesty? They are 6-1 in a Offensive based NFL era.

I'm watching the game and see 30-14. D is a huge problem. SMH

7-1 says otherwise in about 45mins.

Should have stopped at bolded.

I don't know what to believe honestly. Based off what Boat is saying here mixes everything up as I agree with him.

For what it's worth https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707036-doug-whaley-passing-on-patrick-mahomes-rumored-to-be-final-straw-before-firing

Agree Biscuit, It is tough to assume that Allen would translate if all was reversed, it really is more of an opinion. We gotta look at the talent levels though between the teams I guess. Texas tech - KC for Mahomes Clemson - Texans for Watson Wyoming - Bills for Allen Allen definitely gets the huge shank here for talent across the board (college and pros) and has 1 year less pro experience. IDK, I feel Allen would excel under Reid if faced with the exact up bringing as Mahomes under Alex Smith with the insane arsenal at his finger tips. Watching Mahomes is tough but WR's, RB's and TE's are wide open on half of Mahomes passes with mostly clean pockets. I think Allen can play at that level from what I've seen from him thus far but is pure speculation.

I agree, we are having a logical thread/replies on a topic where opinions will vary greatly that I assume Mods encourage instead of name calling crap. We are all here as we are fans and love this team. The last many regimes have been tough to swallow as a Bills fan and I totally understand and actually respect then lack of patience. For me, this FO deserves 2019 FA and draft. I'm glad they understand the importance of QB trading up and taking Allen last draft. I'm willing to give the rest of this year and next to fairly evaluate. Heck, Allen is the 4th QB ever taken by this franchise in the 1st round over the past 50 years. That alone shows how past regimes have failed us and why the Bills have been stuck in the mud without a franchise guy, excluding JK.

If McD knew that a GM transition was coming post draft can you blame him for not selecting a QB until the new GM and scouting was in place? Going off Whaley's scouting team on the most important position in all of sports would have been reckless IMO if he knew Doug was gone post draft. Give Allen more time. If he straight up busts then these arguments are valid I suppose. I think we all agree that if Allen had the exact same scenario in KC as Mahomes he would be playing great. We need more time to see if this FO can build up the offense for Allen in 2019.

Weird draft and year without his GM. I have thought about this for a long time as well. If Beane was the GM during that draft would we have gone QB with Mahomes or Watson?

Same, had Trub, Watson and Mahomes in that order. Mahomes def has some mechanical issues but in fairness so does Allen, both their scouting reports and grades are very similar. I'm fairly confident that if Josh Allen was in KC with all those weapons, coaching staff with a year to sit behind a decent QB in Alex Smith we would be seeing Allen tear it up like Mahomes is now. I'm pumped that Tre looks like a stud pro-bowl CB for years to come. Thank goodness that worked out or this topic would look much worse. I'm 100% ok with Allen and Tre right now. I'm really excited to see Allen develop into a stud.

My statement is as of today the 2017 QB draft class is better than the 2018 class which is true. I'm agreeing with you that 2018 QB's deserve more time to fairly evaluate between the 2 classes but that doesn't change my current assessment above. I don't see the 2017 class falling off the cliff. I personally wanted the Bills to draft Watson or Mahomes that year. The only reality is we have Josh Allen whom I hope turns into the best QB the draft has seen in 10 years. Time will tell all, If Allen flops this topic will come up non-stop from fans for years.

Agreed, will need a couple more years to evaluate. However, there is no denying the 2017 class is/was much stronger than what was said non-stop that is was a poor QB class.

Wanted Watson

Your right this is kind of hindsight to a degree, but many, many posters from this forum alone were calling out to draft Mahomes, Trub or Watson as we needed a QB then and the talent was in our pocket at number 10. The ones that were against it and supporting the decision were saying "next years* QB class is better which is fine as it's still to be determined. Currently right now the 2017 draft class is better and we passed. There is zero we can do now but think what could have been? It sucks but is reality at this point. Time will tell But so far 2017 Mitch Trubisky Deshaun Watson Patrick Mahomes C.J Beathard draft class is much greater than 2018 Baker Mayfield Sam Darnold Josh Allen Josh Rosen 100% false

Well at least it was a "Someone needs to be fired over Watson thread".

I don't get this thread is it a way to say McD is racist or something?

I've seen it all on these boards. You can't trade a player when injured in case that burst your conspiracy theory?

We need a DinoCzar!

I read several of the pages myself. I was surprised how down the team and fans are on Dak.

Bills - 24 Pats - 17

Gotta love at the LAMP hot take today. Next Monday night into Tuesday is going to be brutal around here.

If any you guys need a good laugh. Starts getting funny around pg3 https://cowboyszone.com/threads/amari-cooper-traded-to-cowboys-merged.418243/