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Of all the QB/WR combos to be afraid of... you pick this one? Herbert to Keenan Allen and Mike Williams? Burrow to Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins? sheeeeeiiiit, I'd even give you Russ Wilson to Jerry Jeudy and Courtland Sutton. Instead you pick a 33 year old WR who hasn't been healthy in years and a 45 year old QB. Cool.

mmmmm.... smells like desperation

It's crazy that my post is getting so much hate. Take the blinders off. Aaron Rodgers threw the same amount of touchdowns as Josh last year and only had 4 interceptions (vs 15 for Allen). Was it a one year thing? No, he threw 5 in 2020 and 4 in 2019... with more touchdowns. He also has a Super Bowl win and multiple league MVPs. Mahomes has an MVP and a Super Bowl win and has beaten Josh consistently in the playoffs. Like it or not, people judge QBs based on how many Super Bowls they win along with their career production. It's the reason nobody thinks of Peyton Manning as the greatest of all time, but everybody says that about Brady. Nobody does that for Defensive Tackles or Defensive Ends. It's a QB statistic and it matters. Josh will get there, but saying that he's already there is ludicrous.

When did Rob Johnson win his league MVP award? And I never said it’s the only credential that matters… both of those guys have a Super Bowl and a league MVP AND the same production as Allen across MORE seasons. Lets just be happy to have the guy that we have. There’s no need to go full blown homer every time someone asks you who’s the best this or that.

At this point, nobody should be voting for Josh Allen above Pat Mahomes. Hate to say it, but our guy doesn't have an MVP or a Super Bowl. You need to put Qbs in front of him who DO have those credentials and similar impact on the game. My personal list: 1 Pat Mahomes 2 Aaron Rodgers 3 Aaron Donald 4 Josh Allen 5 TJ Watt 6 Myles Garrett 7 Travis Kelce 8 Cooper Kupp 9 Derrick Henry 10 Jalen Ramsey

Either you have no idea what defensive scheme the Bills play (Roquon, Edmunds, and Milano would never be on the field together) ... or you think trading a 1st round pick for a backup is a good idea. If the Bills made this trade ... and they probably won't because Edmunds is a team captain ... then it would be a player swap plus maybe a late rounder.

In before this is merged with the other Mongo thread on page 1, but to reiterate my sentiments from the other thread: Best wishes Mongo and Bobby. Not going to miss either of you.

I'll go with a two year wonder who isn't mentioned often enough as such. Takeo Spikes. Absolute beast his first 2 years in Buffalo, then tore his achilles in week 3 of his third year and never was the same again. Certainly not his own fault, but that was tough contract after he went down. Meanwhile, his 2004 stats (OLB): 5 interceptions 2 pick 6's 18 passes defensed 4 forced fumbles 3 sacks 98 tackles 1st team all-pro

Good lord Tommy Doyle is huge.

3 pages of comments and nobody has talked about BIG PAT WILLIAMS yet. Undrafted free agent, absolute brick wall. Wish we didn’t let him go to Minny because he continued to be a beast there, just like Winfield. And while we’re in the drought era, can’t believe this man wasn’t mentioned yet either…. FRED JACKSON! Another UDFA who embodied everything good about the team.

Honestly, completely forgot he’s on the Browns. Wow, what a class organization.

Well said! My theory on “Sully” is he’s actually a decent writer, but has worked so hard to brand himself as a curmudgeon that now he can’t get out of his own way when the city is experiencing success. What a sad existence… almost poetic.

Tre White

Doug Martin - Muscle Hamster Maurice Jones Drew - never called Muscle Hamster ... but he was definitely called Mojo or MJD.

Wishing him a speedy recovery. 😏

Might be a good player, but these type of guys get you in trouble with personal fouls when it hurts the most. We finally have a great locker room culture. You'll never see McDermott draft a guy who's going to start fights with his own team daily.

A turd for every punchbowl! I demand it!

Beat all of you by 30 minutes! Suck it!

Poyer should have been more specific when he said he wanted an extension. ….. sorry 😏

I'm glad you started this topic, because I wasn't sure where else to post this. Coaches are always going to feed you BS. Sometimes they say things just to motivate players. Sometimes they say things to drive up their value. You know who I trust? The players. They talk openly. In Jordan Poyer's interview with Tyreek Hill he says flat out "I see me a Micah as the quarterbacks of our defense." This smells like coach-speak BS to me.

Want to hear a funny joke? This guy was so terrible that he went from writing at a major newspaper to doing articles for the Niagara Gazette that parody his own negativity. Bills are Super Bowl favorites, Josh Allen is the MVP favorite, and he still finds a way to be miserable. What a wonderful life!

Groot is looking much stronger. Ya love to see it!

Bills play base Nickel. Taron Johnson is a fantastic Nickel CB. Why would the Bills change everything about their consistently top ranked defense? Even with Tre White out and Levi Wallace at 1CB, they still held their own. You want them to change everything and take one of their best players out of his natural position because… they drafted a linebacker in the 3rd? Ok, let me help you. Do you remember AJ Klein? He played a bunch of snaps. Imagine Terrell Bernard as AJ Klein in year 1, with the benefit that he’s good depth and also a good ST player. That’s what he’s gonna do. Lets just all slowly walk away from this one… and let’s all agree that we need to move Cordy Glenn to Guard and Troy Vincent to Safety too.

**Edit** Didn't realize you'd be updating this with actual rankings - thank you for putting that together. My first impression was that this was just going to be another "lets talk about Madden rankings" thread... of which there were already two on the main page.

If we don't get the red helmets now, I swear to god....