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    Everyone that wanted TT gone, we told you

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    58 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

    SAME case with Darnold I like that point you bring up. If Darnold hypothetically is HOF and Allen is bust it's ultimately the combo of not being in an easy trade to go so far up for Darnold and being absolutely wrong in Allen. (not ideal position and poor drafting). < These are hypotheticals folks was never high on Darnold personally.

    True, but my point is even if we wanted Allen over Darnold we don't have to give up Cordy Glenn and two 2nd round picks to get him if we finished poorly last year.  It's always an interesting debate when it comes to tanking.  Depends on where you're at as an organization and what the draft class looks like the next year.  With a strong quarterback class in last year's draft, it would've been advantageous of us to have a bad year.  

     

    With two stud defensive prospects in the top two this year, it would be nice to have a shot at one of them (or see if a team is willing to trade up for one of them).  If it means not winning meaningless games at home against the Jets and Dolphins in December.....I'm fine with that.

    Everyone that wanted TT gone, we told you

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by Doc Brown

    3 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

    All valid. I simply find the margin of bust/boom potential in the first round very slim personally. Only time I'd love a #1 overall is if Peyton Manning is on the board or we flip it for a king's ransom like the Rams did to the skins RGIII. That's awesome and at least that still buys into my strategy that round 1 margin is slim.

     

    Just my personal opinion. Drafting well is the end all be all, and most teams draft poorly at the top and bottom. We've been poor at drafting. Could have Rodgers or Big Been at 7-9 but we hauled JP.

     

    ONE great draft with a lot of picks that hit on an all-pro, maybe 2 if you're insanely lucky like that Seahawks draft. And some very good starters (I"m all for getting cheap interior O Line late first round).. just one or 2 slam dunk drafts turns your team around overnight. And you just gotta fill it with vets (I prefer short term prove it deals) to avoid what we look like rn. 

     

    So either way works. A particularly bad year certainly improves the odds either via trade down or having a stud fall to you. But PERSONALLY I think we just have to nail our picks no matter where we land (small margins) and the only difference there is I have more fun as a fan every season.

     

    Either way is a disaster if we're drafting Maybins all the time. So our theories are simply tied to if our scouts have talents for getting bargain guys late, or really nailing the high picks. Some teams flourish either way depending on their talent come draft day.

    Big Ben is a good example of why having a better draft position is critical.  We went 6-10 in 2003 and had the 12 pick.  Donahoe apparently was trying to move ahead of the Steelers at 10 an couldn't find a partner.  Steelers draft Big Ben and we end up getting Evans at 12 along with trading up for Losman.  If we finish 4-12, we had Big Ben.  I just fear 14 years from now I'll be saying if we just bottomed out in 2017 we could've had future HOFer Sam Darnold.  

    Everyone that wanted TT gone, we told you

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    2 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

    I don't get it. We've just been drafting poorly for 2 decades. Better to go 7-9 and get Tre White than bottom out and grab Solomon Thomas. If you draft well the difference is one record let's you enjoy more meaningful games over the season than the other.. and is 2-3 wins from making playoffs should you have that special offseason, coach, FA signing, rookie whatever it takes to spark your team to the next tier.

     

    Because that spark to the next tier when bottoming out just gets you back to 7-9.

    I get both sides of the argument, but you can't make the assumption based off past regimes blowing their draft picks no matter how high they pick that this regime will do the same. 

     

    If we finished in the bottom three last year we wouldn't have had to give up Cordy Glenn and two 2nd round picks to get our quarterback of choice.  We'd have more talent this year.  Also, you get the same slot in succeeding rounds so having the 33rd or 34th pick is a lot better than having the 50th or 51st pick.  It also gives you a better chance to acquire more picks if some team is desperate for a quarterback.

    The Fire Bell In The Night

    in Politics, Polls, and Pundits

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    1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

     

    Every news report I've heard today is that it's been stable at +8 for weeks.

     

    Someone's lying.  Don't know who, don't care.  Only votes matter.

    The aggregate of polls are around plus 8 for Dems (GOP can retain House even if they lose generic ballot by 5%).  Rasmussen of course is the outlier with Republicans at +1.  They're also the only major polling company who says Trump's approval rating among African Americans is above 20%.  We'll see who's right tomorrow.

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