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Would ya look at that... saying that the coaching and scheme plays a big role in their success. And I agree with some others that have said it, the defense does have some talented guys. If the coaching can get these types of performances out of mostly JAG plays (at least on offense) I can't wait to see what they can do with some real talent.

The fact that Allen doesn't fear any throw to any point on the field is proof enough for me that he's not a taller Tyrod Taylor. He's gonna show hesitancy from time to time and other times he's going to drop back, decide and throw, like that perfect pass he hit to Clay over the middle early in the game. That was executed exactly how it's drawn up. Allen dropped and as soon as he hit his back foot he fired it, just as Clay comes out of his break, it's on him as soon as he puts his hands up. Great throw and catch for a first down. Those types of throws don't happen with Taylor here. Even when he was surrounded by Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, Clay, etc. Taylor has to see his man wide open before he throws it. Allen, while he does do that as well, has shown the ability to throw it on time and with anticipation. It's no doubt a skill he still needs to work on but just the fact that we've seen him do it on several occasions should bode well for his future. Just keep learning, keep rounding out his game, I think he'll be alright.

I didn't mind the play call, I'm all for a team being aggressive. IMO, they drew it up for KB in an effort to get him a big play right off the bat and maybe get his confidence up or spark his motivation. As others have said, I figured I'd see Foster as the target. Overall, the offense yesterday wasn't great but they weren't terrible. They consistently picked up first downs and the run game was working well against a pretty good DL.

Due to the cap situation and the stage they're at in this rebuild, it's easy to say Beane hasn't done much for the pro side. They've signed players to reasonable, manageable deals that seem to be both teams and player friendly. McDermott brought in Hyde and Poster and Beane added Lotulelei, Murphy and Ivory this year. And as you pointed out, his draft (he's really only responsible for this season so far) was pretty good. Combine his picks with McDermott last year and it looks like this. 2017 Tre' White - shaping up to be a home run of a pick. Kid is already very good and seems to be skyrocketing his way to great. Zay Jones - Jury is still out. The three year rule applies to receivers especially. The college game has become a detriment to WRs and OL especially. WRs are used to pass-happy offenses with lots of small routes that don't fly in the NFL and OL prospects hardly play with their hand in the dirt. Zay is gonna stick around for a bit despite his numbers. They like his work ethic and invested a high pick on him. They'll give him every chance to succeed. Dion Dawkins - Unseated a 6-year starter in his rookie year and has looked pretty good. Matt Milano - Looks more and more like a steal every week. Always around the ball. Nate Peterman - Yikes on bikes. Tanner Vallejo - 6th round picks get cut all the time. 2018 Josh Allen - too early to tell but plenty to work with. Tremaine Edmunds - the more experience he gets the better he'll be. Can run all over the field, makes throwing over the middle tough due to his length and range. Harrison Phillips - probably gets more playing time as the season goes on and has flashed at times. Has a chance to be solid. Taron Johnson - seems to be the Matt Milano of this season. Sure tackler, great instincts and awareness, good recovery speed, smart. Siran Neal - work in progress. Wyatt Teller - see Neal. Ray-Ray McCloud - developing, at best I think he can carve out a role as a returner/gadget player, maybe deep threat. Austin Proehl - was like, less than 5 picks from being Mr. Irrelevant, didn't work out. Overall, they've drafted 14 players. Seven of them are already starting. Several of them have a chance to be special players. Hitting on 8 of 14 of your draft picks like that? I'd say that's a job well done so far. Interested to see what they do this off-season now that they have some money to throw around. I also expect them to wheel and deal and acquire more picks and maybe flip some picks for players down the line. Should be fun.

I kinda always felt Whaley took some unfair blame for things that weren't 100% his call. The more I learn about his tenure here the more I wonder a couple of things, one, was the dude just like, a puppet GM with other guys like Brandon actually calling the shots? Or two, was he urged to move the team in certain directions? Three, did he just allow himself to get stepped in and outranked? Because him and Marrone didn't get along, and then I'm fairly certain that Rex was not his first choice but wound up stuck with him anyway. Was he never able to assert himself? Or was it too much of what Joe B said with the "good soldier" stuff? Definitely seemed like the trainwreck was really off the rails during his time.

Good. Surprised it took this long. Maybe they felt coaching alone would've been enough for Allen but I always thought they needed a guy who's been in it before. Anderson always made sense to me.

And if the Bills paid him what the Patriots are paying him you'd say he's overpaid and Beane's an !@#$. No win situation.

You sure about that? He's a big fan of Milano. In almost each post-game column he's written this season that Ramon Humber needs to stay on the sidelines so Milano can get as many snaps as possible.

Gilmore dropped a pick last night. When he got up, he actually had a look on his face that said, "Dammit, my bad" instead of his usual "wait, we were in the wrong coverage, right? Surely this massive completion for 70 yards is *NOT* on me!" I liked Gilmore while he was here and he most definitely had stretches where his play was solid and consistent. But almost every time he got beat, he'd always pop up and be looking around like "We f'ed up somewhere, whatever I just did on that play is what I was supposed to do, sooo...."

I'mma assume your first sentence is sarcasm? White is set up to be a cornerstone of this defense for the next 10 years, don't think they have any interest in trading their first overall draft pick.

Good stuff all the way around, Hap. On one hand, I feel like JA has the resiliency and competitiveness to make it through this season with what he has right now. I'd hope that it just makes him more mentally (and probably physically) tougher and he gains valuable experience in doing what Dilfer says is needed: learning how to better play the game. It may take a while but at some point or another, those true franchise QBs have a drive, or a quarter, or a whole game where the switch flips on and they really "get it" and start playing the position up to their full potential. The flip side of this, unfortunately, is that some QBs never get the switch to flip on. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen with JA. I admit, my first reaction on draft night was, "They took the wrong Josh!" but I've warmed up to the kid. I like his attitude, I like that he has a lot of respect already from his teammates, I like hearing guys like Shady talk about the "swagger" he has because I believe a high level of confidence is paramount to the QB position. Another encouraging thing I heard right from JA himself this week was him stating how he doesn't have to be the hero on every play, or doesn't have to think that every play is going to be a big one. Against GB, as the game wore on, I saw him get more antsy and less comfortable in the pocket because he was dying to make a play. His INT in the end zone? He was hoping one of his guys could go up and get it. Even though it's a negative to throw a pick, at this stage of his development, I don't care how many picks he throws per game (well, I mean, keep it under 3, I would say) because it means he's not afraid to take chances. And we just watched a dude for three full seasons that really didn't take very many chances. So it's a breath of fresh air to have a QB that is not afraid to sling it. I believe that at his ceiling, Josh Allen can be Brett Favre. He can be that gunslinger-type that usually wows you with his throws and abilities but he also might bum you out from time to time with a real, "WTF?" play or a bad INT. So be it, though. No player is perfect. Sometimes you'd think that's what some Bills fans are expecting from not only their QB but the entire roster, coaching & front office staffs. Mistakes will be made. That's how we learn. Trial and error. 2018 is all about that, really. And if by season's end in 2020 things aren't where they should be, welp, try, try again! Because the sport isn't going anywhere and no matter how much this team might piss you off, neither are you. (Not you, Hapless, I mean the "general you.")

This is where I'm at. I can also sense the competitor in Allen, he wants to be out there regardless of the situation. And I agree, the situation isn't very fair to him right now but I also believe this season can be a huge trial by fire with the hope that he can make some progress. If he shows positive signs by the end of the year with this OL and these skill position players, then I think that bodes well for his future and the team's future once they upgrade several offensive positions.

I expected to see a tough season for a team with a lot of inexperience. I'll admit, at first it was hard to shake off the whole, "But they made the playoffs last season, surely they can compete again and at least hit 8-8, 7-9" because, at the time, I was seeing a lot of abysmal record predictions like 3-13 and whatnot and my first thought would be, "Nah, this team has more talent and a lot of competitive fire in them, they can eek out more than 3 wins." But as we rolled through training camp and pre-season, I started realizing that, yeah, those predictions might be true. So, I separated my fandom from the team for this season. I'm still tuning in and watching every game because I'm looking for progress in these inexperienced players that are set up to be the future of the franchise. But, I don't watch with a whole lot of emotion. There's no "edge of your seat" type nerves or anything. I'm fine with them losing a bunch this season. I'm pretty sure that was actually part of the plan this year. I mean, honestly, for pretty much the entire 2000s, this franchise has tried putting band-aids and filling spots with this guy or that guy with a "we can win now!" attitude. Seemed like none of the regimes they hired (until now) could see the forest for the trees and realize that the team needed a full-on overhaul. Obviously, I'd like them to be a bit more entertaining that what we saw last Sunday. That was one of the roughest offensive outings I've seen in recent memory. I know Allen is a project and needs time, but holy crap on a stick, I don't know what the hell Juan Castillo is teaching this OL. I mean, they aren't the most talented group but they are NFL players and it's true, I have seen all five of those guys win at least a dozen one-on-one match-ups this season. It's the constant free rushers that baffle me. Gotta be able to adjust on the fly. Isn't that what Daboll's scheme is all about? He wants to be "multiple" and be able to change it up from week to week based on the opponent. Maybe they've been trying to do that but honestly, I think they just need to get back to basics right now. Simplify things for Allen, get Shady and the run game going (Chris Ivory has been a nice surprise, always thought he was a solid back but if you buy into 75% of the posters on this board you'd be led to believe that he is AN ABSOLUTE EMBARRASSMENT TO THE BUFFALO BILLS BECAUSE OF HIS STUPID 2.9 YPC IN JACKSONVILLE!") because he and Ivory are actually a pretty nice little 1-2 punch, and then try the ol' play action. How's about just not abandoning Shady after 5 carries and calling constant passes against a unique/exotic-look defense with an inexperienced rookie QB? Try the KISS method - Keep It Simple, Stupid. Defensively, I feel like they are on the right track. Defense is responsible for carrying Carolina into being a steady contender over the last few years and it's pretty clear that getting the defense to do the same is the goal here in Buffalo. I think they've built the defense the right way. They have a mix of long time vets, then a mix of "prime years" players who have 4-7 years of experience but are still under 30 (Hyde, Poyer, Murphy, Lotulelei, etc.). After that, I feel like they have a very good core of young players. Tre' White, Tremaine Edmunds, Harrison Phillips, Matt Milano, Shaq Lawson (I'm fully aware his draft status has not matched his play but they may be onto something with this DT/DE role they have him in, I'm willing to give him a bit more time), etc. I wonder if Ryan Lewis might turn out to be a decent corner opposite Tre' and I keep seeing progress in Taron Johnson week to week. In fact, you could say that he was one of the top performers against GB last week. Very good awareness/instincts, and a sure tackler. Also, not afraid to throw himself around. By season's end, I'd just like to see them trending upwards. Maybe finish with a couple victories. We know the path to success isn't linear, it's gonna swing up and down a lot, but by the final quarter of the season (last four games, not final game quarter) I hope I see these guys playing with confidence and cohesion. And obviously, stay healthy.

Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe losing E. Wood was the biggest blow to this OL but I see way more Richie threads than Wood threads. I know Wood was forced to retire due to injury but let's face it, Richie probably doesn't do as well without Wood here. I'm pretty sure Wood was influential in keeping Richie on track during his time in Buffalo. And, if Wood would've been able to continue playing, I'm sure this front office would've been more interested in keeping him around than Richie, he's more valuable. Just a shame injuries forced him out.

Oh boo hoo hoo. The dude made his choices. He didn't have to sign off on that pay-cut, but he did, then two weeks later he got a wild hair up his ass and fired his agents and decided he didn't want the pay cut so he asked for his release and was granted it.

Treadwell hasn't seen the field because he's struggled with drops since entering the league.

I definitely agree with this. Sometimes during games I'll get sucked into the Twitter-verse and see a lot of live tweeting, and over the last few seasons, one of the most common things I've seen mentioned by former players (and at times, those players' wives) would be that they'd look at the sideline and see no sense of brotherhood or unity with the Bills. And these former players were guys like Talley, Bennett, Kelly, Thomas, etc. They all have said at one point or another, one of the reasons they were so successful in the 90s was because, despite the egos, those guys really had a strong sense of family and unity. They all wanted to ball out for each other, not just for themselves. That's what McDermott is trying to build here. And we've seen already that it works. Last years team wasn't the most talented but they really enjoyed playing for each other. Just seeing that sideline erupt for Taiwan Jones, a career special teams and back up guy, playing in a regular season game against an NFC opponent in Week 5 was just awesome. These guys genuinely wanna see each other do well. And those are the kinds of players they'll continue to bring in here because, in their opinion, that's what's going to get them over the hump. Now, the one concern I've had since the jump with this regime is I would hope that they don't pass up on an extremely talented player because of character concerns. I'm sure they have a threshold for what they're comfortable with, what kinda baggage they'll allow players to bring with them, but I get the sense that their threshold for that is pretty low. On the flip-side of this, if they have a strong locker room with dependable leaders, then they should feel more comfortable bringing in a guy who may have some character issues because they can lean on those players in leadership roles to take a young guy under their wing and really show him how to be a professional. So, yeah, I sincerely hope they don't talk themselves out of taking a really talented guy (if they have the chance at one) because they're afraid his baggage will mess with the locker room vibe. Have faith in your guys and your culture and if, after a season or two, the guy in question hasn't turned it around, they can trade him elsewhere. They have no problem doing that (see: Watkins/Darby/Dareus). But yeah, I like where you're coming from here Phillo, good assessment.

The point of the purge has a lot to do with the salary cap mess they inherited. They wanted to unload bad contracts (Dareus, Glenn, etc.) and open up space, number one. Number two, they want a foundation of drafted players that are playing on very manageable rookie deals. In between that, they mix it up with free agents that they think they're paying fair value for. To your comment on the former players that came through Buffalo: Bradham was offered an extension but wanted to test free agency, he also wasn't a fit for Rex's 3-4. Also can't blame a guy for going to a team that offered him the most money. We've all seen the Earl Thomas thing by now, these guys have every right to get paid when the opportunity comes up. Darby was the opposite, he's a fit for what Rex likes to do but not what McDermott wants to do. I also think they had some character concerns on him. Ragland also doesn't fit McDermott's scheme. The moment they drafted Dawkins, the writing was on the wall for Glenn. I've always liked Glenn, think he's a solid player but the deal they gave him was a bit much for his services. Beane wanted to get rid of that contract and things just kinda lined up for them when Glenn had injuries last season and Dawkins played pretty well in his place. They saw that and knew then that their draft pick on a very affordable rookie contract was ready to take over and then they go and get themselves up to slot #12 by trading Glenn which helped them move up for who they think is their franchise QB. Goodwin and Woods were offered deals but both wanted to test free agency. They were also here when this team was all about the run. When you're a wide receiver, you want the ball. Robert Woods is a solid player who was definitely frustrated while he was here but he still did his job very well. He received an offer to play for a team in his own backyard that loves throwing it, can't blame him there. Goodwin was offered more money in San Francisco, and up until his departure, there weren't really any Bills fans who thought that guy was special. He has rounded out into a good receiver in San Fran but while he was here he was often injured and struggled with drops. Dareus... giant contract that was not worth what he was providing. And again, character is a big thing here and we are all well aware of the off-field troubles Dareus has had. Even Kyle Williams himself said it, sometimes there's only so much you can do for someone before you have to give them a chance to start fresh somewhere else. Dareus has had two solid seasons in his seven year career but probably could've had several more than that if he was motivated enough to really tap into his potential, but he never appeared to be interested in doing that while he was here. And then they got outbid by the Pats for Hogan after giving him an offer sheet. And if you can catch the ball, you can pretty much count on Tom Brady making you look pretty good. I'm not directing this next comment at you, but some people seem to think that the Bills just cut or traded or dumped these guys for no reason or that they never considered keeping them around. They do their due diligence and make their evaluations and some guys get offers, some don't. It's business. TL:DR - In short, you can pretty much look at the cap mess they were stuck with to understand why they've purged the roster. But also, they (McBeane) knew it was time to hit the "full-on reset" button, as did the Pegulas. This is what happens when that button gets pressed. It's all business.

There are way more true starters that aren't even 30 yet that are on this team. Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer are both 27, Taron Johnson (who has looked better each week) and Tre' White are 22, Tremaine Edmunds is only friggin' 20 and he's already the QB of the defense, Trent Murphy is 27, Star Lotulelei is 29, Matt Milano is 24, etc. Josh Allen is 22, Dion Dawkins is 24, Zay Jones is 23, etc. It's a youth movement right now. I don't have a lot of issues with how they're building right now. They have a handful of longtime vets with 8-10+ years of experience (Kyle, Lorenzo, Hughes, etc.) and then they have veterans still in their prime years (under 30) with 4-8 years of experience followed up by the rookies and second/third/fourth year players. Building a roster is more than just finding the right players. This regime wants to find the right players for the right money for the right amount of time. Right now, it's obvious they want to build a core of young players that they hope will pan out and be affordable because they'll still be on their rookie deals. And whoever has performed well will likely be offered extensions (right meow I can see Tre' White definitely getting the 5th year option, Edmunds as well, feel really good about those two being cornerstones on that defense for the next 10 seasons provided they can stay healthy). It might be a dismal season but they're doing this thing the right way. The results aren't what they want yet but they've still yet to dig in and really overhaul the offense. I think that's coming up this off-season, though. If they end up with a top 5 pick, they can trade down and collect more picks which in turn gives them more ability to move around in the draft and go after who they want. And hopefully they'll get some solid veteran FAs in here as well.

I would just like to see some cohesion on offense. I know this OL hasn't played together for very long but at some point they gotta get things down well enough so they aren't allowing a rusher to hit Allen .04 seconds after the snap. Establish the run, take some shots with the play action. And obviously, hope the defense can create turnovers and short fields. Same formula that beat Minnesota, likely the only formula they can use to compete right meow.

Yep. And if I'm too old and crippled, at least just get my wheelchair riding ass up on a ledge and lemme take care of the rest.

Ladies and gentlemen, esteemed individuals of this fine establishment known as Two Bills Drive... I would like to report that I have indeed been fired over Mahomes. It's been a great run but all mediocre things must come to an end and today is that day. If anyone needs me, I'll be crying into my Josh Allen Kool-Aid cup.

I better see the most enthusiastic f*ckin' jazz hands in history this Sunday, then.

Love this. Great instincts and reaction here. Reads the play, takes the correct first step and makes the tackle. Good stuff.