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This might be the first time I've seen this kinda sentiment on this or any of the Bills boards I've been around. I have a hard time with "fans" that constantly trash players. Instead of just saying a guy hasn't played well you get people calling him trash, waste of space, waste of money, worthless, etc. And usually it's coming from someone who probably wheezes when they peel themselves off the couch to go get another fistful of pizza.

Bad things, maaaannn.... Not a Browns game, but one of the more weird things I've seen in a Bills game is that Pats game from 2008 where the wind was so bad the goalposts were bent over. I can't recall if that 6-3 turdfest had high winds or if that was the 8-0 blizzard. Browns are hangin' by a thread in terms of the playoff picture. I just don't think Kitchens has enough buy-in and trust from that team to get them to rally. Lot of egos, lot of aggravation when things aren't going their way, etc. I wonder at what point players will start checking out and looking towards next season where they might be hoping they'll be playing elsewhere or at least under a different staff if they stay in Cleveland. A weird thing I'd like to see happen is an all-out dominant Bills victory. No hanging on by the opponent, no tripping over themselves at the two yard line and going backwards for three straight plays, etc. Also, no overly-cutesy/creative stuff from Daboll. Don't get me wrong, I think he has some creative play designs and the pre-snap motion seems to be effective at times, but at some point they really need to define their bread and butter plays and build around that in order to create an identity.

He may not rack up a ton of sacks but he routinely provides pressure. He might be having a bit of a down year but clearly they think he can still be effective. Also, and I've said this before, some players are here for more than just their on field performance. Hughes is one of those guys. He may not have a C on his jersey but he's a locker room OG, he's a guy that other guys can go to for advice and he's a guy that can communicate with coaches to give them a read on the locker room. This staff also loves his energy, his work ethic, and his approach. They want guys like him on this team so younger players can see how this staff wants things done. On top of that, McDermott's defenses, save for a season or two in Carolina when they had some beasts up front on the DL, have never been the type of defenses that rack up crazy sack numbers. They consistently rush four and they don't do a whole lot of blitzing, stunts or other types of disguises to create pressure. They depend on their guy beating the guy across from them. I get it, people wanna criticize the team. People find concerns and come here to voice them, as silly as some of them seem. But they're 6-2... I'm really not that concerned if they don't have a pair of edge rushers with 15 sacks apiece already. These guys also have specific assignments from play to play. They aren't told to go get the QB on every single play. They have gap assignments, edge responsibility, etc. But for some people here, if they aren't seeing astronomical numbers and stats from some of these guys then they're crap. "He only gots 4 sacks, he crap! The other dude make too much money and he only got two sacks, he crap! He's stealin' money from MAH POCKET with his under-performing ways and DANGNABBIT I am gonna piss and moan like an impotent jerk all over this board!" Yeesh. Yeah, I admit it'd be nice to get a bit more out of the pass rush but as it stands, they're middle of the league in terms of sacks/pressures right now so that's not really a major concern. Run defense was shaky to start yesterday but definitely shut things down in the second half. That'd be my main concern for the defense, continuing to stop the run.

He spilled his chocolate milk a few days ago a d is still sore about it.

I'm not gonna kick any tires. They didn't do anything to me, you know? Moncrief is JAG, don't know that he's an upgrade over anyone in the Bills WR room right meow.

Imagine being lil' Joshy McDaniels, grinding away year after year for like 19 seasons now, stuck with the organization because he believes he's being groomed to take over once ol' Bill retires. But then Bill says, "You know what, I feel pretty good. I was gonna hang it up at 70 but I think I'll keep going." Then Bill hits 78 and says, "I'mma give the reins to my boy, Steve. Sorry, Josh." Couldn't happen to a douchier douche than McDaniels.

Yay, go me! Haha. This Taylor kid looks like he has some real potential. I gotta assume he's a definite upgrade because I can't see him doing any worse than Peko. And speaking of him, I'm sure he'll wind up back on the PS.

I think I mentioned it in another thread but yeah, word coming out of DC is that he's had some difficulty in picking up the playbook. Earlier in the week there was a report that said Peterson had a talk with him and told him to really dive into the playbook. As Yolo explains below, the offensive system they're running is pretty intricate and now that the guy who ran it is no longer the head coach, they've been trying to tweak it and simplify it a bit for Haskins.

Hopefully this won't be one of those instances where an inexperienced/backup QB catches fire. We've seen that happen before. Read some stuff the other day that said Haskins has really struggled to learn the playbook. So much so that they're having trouble finding ways to teach him. I don't think that bodes well for their game plan, seems like they'll be limited to pretty standard/basic designs. Bills should be ready.

Never encountered any Philly fans, but on the flipside, I was at the big victory over Green Bay in 2014 and sat next to some GB fans and they were super nice. Even when the Bills had a good play they'd be like, "Aw man, that was just a really good play." They congratulated us after the game and I said the Bills were lucky Jordy Nelson dropped a deep one that he would've likely taken to the house untouched.

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Schopp's playing a character. It's his job to elicit responses from people. I think the best way he's found to get those responses is to have unpopular opinions that he doesn't waver on. If he gets you riled up then he's done his job.

As a kid I would pick favorite teams based on uniform colors. First, I liked the orange and black of Cincinnati, until the 49ers ruined my day by beating them in the Super Bowl. Then, I thought the Raiders were cool...until Buffalo destroyed them 51-3 in the '91 AFC Championship game. Been on the Bills wagon since then. Couldn't watch Norwood's attempt live. Half my family erupted in joy when he kicked it because they thought he made it...then I looked over to where my dad, grandpa, and uncles were watching the game and saw a flurry of random objects go flying, accompanied by some real colorful language, finally capped off with my one uncle, a Jets fan, passing out tissues. I enjoy the game overall and after Bills games on Sundays, I'll leave the foosball on all the way through the end of the Sunday night game. I tune in for Thursday night games but they're usually background noise. Obviously, I'm more invested in Bills games because I care if they win or lose. I used to get all worked up and yell at the TV but that never helps anything. I always try to temper my expectations while remaining optimistic. Usually, as the next season gets underway (scouting combine, free agency, draft, etc.) I'll feel like, "Eh, I dunno about this year, I think they have a ways to go yet." But as the season draws closer, I usually end up thinking, "Hey, they really played well in that pre-season game, maybe they have a shot!" Losses are tough, especially when it's a team you really felt like they should've beat. But mostly, I just like to watch the game on my own and not get too up or down during the course of events. I do believe this current regime is the most stable they've had in years. They clearly have a long-term vision and they will not commit knee-jerk reactions and panic at the first sign of adversity. I saw so many comments before the trade deadline that just said, "Get a player!" So, trade just to trade? That's not what they're about. I'm interested in seeing what direction they go in the off-season in terms of free agency and the draft. It's fun to log on here and discuss the team with other fans. At times, the unyielding scrutiny becomes a bit much and I just have to laugh because sometimes people will be picking apart things that are just part of the game. "Did you see that 19 yard run the opponent had?! That's just unacceptable! That's Star Lotulelei's fault, and Tremaine Edmunds too! He's just not that good an athlete *stuffs KFC into face for the 7th time this afternoon* nomnomnomschlopschlop, and I know, I played! Yeah, I did! I woulda been all-time, too, but, you know, my pinky toe, devastating injury!" I say it's a bit much because people will really try to nitpick even the most mundane of things. Like, the other team is gonna make plays too. I have a tough time watching games with people who get nuts on every play. "OHMYGAWSH tackle him, get him!!! Oh geez, this is awful," just gets old to hear after every three yard gain by the opponent. And I'll give credit where it's due. If the other team just makes a good play then hats off to them. Not always someone's fault. There are times when a QB just puts it in a perfect spot and the WR makes a crazy catch while the DB is providing excellent coverage. Stuff happens. Whoa... this got away from me quick. Sorry 'bout that. Anyway, yeah, I'm an optimistic but honest fan and just wanna see these guys put it all together and make a deep playoff run and hopefully bring home a Lombardi before I croak. I figure I got a good 50+ years left so hopefully they can get it done at some point in that time frame. Go Bills.

I saw some comments on Twitter about this and the reporter is well known for being a jerk, apparently. I don't really have an issue with what Baker said but he's probably gotta be able to show that stupid questions like that don't phase him, because that's exactly the type of reaction that reporter is looking for in that case.

I think if they do bring Taylor up, it'll be on Saturday like how they did with Duke.

I guess I sorta understood the off-season hype for the Jets. It was pretty much just based around them signing Bell and Mosley, and that many thought Gase would "unlock" Darnold's max potential. What wasn't mentioned was the fact that their OL isn't very good and Bell has benefited from a solid OL in Pittsburgh for most of his career. What also wasn't talked about was the fact that Gase is a terrible leader and hasn't shown at all that he can get his entire team to buy into his program. I hear that some players love the guy and others can't stand him. Not exactly a recipe for success.

I really don't see anything wrong with him saying what he said. I think when he talks about being irresponsible he's basically saying, yeah we did talk to some teams but the asking price would've really impacted future drafts and it would be irresponsible to give up what was being asked.

Brother-in-law lives down in Indiana, said that stadium is incredible. I'd be on board for something like that. Retractable roof for sure because WNY does get some awesome fall days. And I'm of the mind where I don't really think bad weather helps a home team from an area where the weather can get crazy. If it's windy, snowing/raining/sleeting, whatever, it's a detriment for both teams. Doesn't benefit the home team just because it's their stadium. And I'm pretty sure whenever the Pegula's do break ground on a new stadium, it's gonna be a multi-purpose facility that's gonna get used more than eight times a year.

I said this in another thread, but I think Daboll might get too caught up in the "chess match" from game to game. His offensive philosophy is that he wants to be able to operate a number of different styles/systems based on who they play. But I think he gets away from their "money" plays, you know, things they execute really well. I also think he kinda gets a little too smartypants at times and looks for the exact perfect opportunity to run certain plays. That's part of the game, of course, but sometimes things don't line up exactly how you'd like, doesn't mean you can't run the play. It feels like he's trying to show different things week to week but hasn't been creative enough to really disguise what they're doing. Like, one week they're a team running five-wide sets and tons of pre-snap motion, the next week they're like, "Just line up, snap it and run straight!" no movement, not a lot of creativity, etc. McDermott didn't outright say it but he certainly alluded to the fact that he probably had a not-so-fun conversation with Daboll on Monday morning. Hopefully he told him to use the plays/players that have been shown to be effective on a consistent basis and then expand on that stuff.

I kinda tend to believe that maybe 10, 15 years down the road here, there's gonna be a monster scandal with Brady and his TB12 method. It's gonna come out that he did some real sophisticated blood doping or something, some kinda Lance Armstrong sh*t. And is it just me or has he had some cosmetic work done? His face just looks...different, haha. Ethan spilled his chocolate milk and now he's having a temper tantrum.

And that's why I think McBeane's success and tenure here are directly tied to Allen. If he goes, they (probably) go and they (probably) start from scratch again.

Aw man, I forgot to ask!

Well, your handle is "FUTURIST" so I suppose that means you can see exactly what the future holds, huh? So in the future... teams just rack up 9000 yards a play on the Bills, ya? And nowhere in the future do the Bills make adjustments and fix the things that led to exactly ONE team giving them trouble with the run game. The same one team that gives just about everyone trouble with their run game because they execute extremely well. It happens. After Week One there were tons of people on here saying, "They can't play close games like that, no way, no how! They will LOSE, I tell youse, LOSE LOSE LOSE!" And then they proceeded to win four out of the next five. Last season the defense had an awful outing against Baltimore and it followed for the first half against the Chargers. But then... *gasp* things were fixed! Adjustments made and things got better. But hey, you got the line on da future so I guess you'd know.

Didn't you know that you find out all you need to know about a QB after 17 career starts? It's the precise amount of games where you'll be able to definitively ascertain that the player is exactly what he is, cannot improve, cannot progress, and must be kicked to the curb in order to start all over again with someone else. Sheesh man, thought you knew this with your fancy toof degree and everything. ?

Yeah, based on what they said in the off-season it sounded like they were definitely looking at having running back by committee this season. Which is fine, but it'd probably make more sense if they evened things out between 20 and 26.