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    Antonio Brown trade may be happening today, announcing team soon: UPDATE: TRADED to Raiders

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    Just now, whatdrought said:

     

    I think the change in pass rushers is really interesting cause I wonder if it will swing back the other way. 5 years ago it was all about the edge and about getting a LT that can block the edge. Well, that caused people to look for inside rushers and now the counter is the revaluing of Guards (imagine a guard going top 10 5-10 years ago). It's literally trench warfare. They make strides on the inside, you defend the inside. They go to the outside, you go back to the outside. 

     

    I agree about it being interesting. It's crazy to see how these trends go. 


    Absolutely.

    There are some really great books about the evolution of football:

    The Genius of Desperation by Doug Farrar and Louis Riddick
    The Games That Changed The Game by David Plaut, Greg Cosell, and Ron Jaworski

    And speaking of strategic moves and counter-moves: I'm looking forward to power run offenses and bruising running backs coming back into vogue a little bit in the coming years to counter the ever smaller, ever faster defensive players that teams are rolling out these days.

    If The Bills Stay @ #9, Who Is Your Guy?

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    It depends so much on who is available, and who the Bills take in free agency.

    The most strategically intelligent choice based on the importance of the battle in the trenches to the success of football teams would be either an offensive or defensive lineman.

    I want the Bills to pick whichever offensive or defensive lineman they have rated the highest.

    Ed Oliver, Brian Burns, or Montez Sweat on defense.

    Jonah Williams or Jawaan Taylor on offense.

    It may not be sexy, but games are won and lost in the trenches. Get me a big ugly and I'll be happy.

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    Antonio Brown trade may be happening today, announcing team soon: UPDATE: TRADED to Raiders

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    Just now, whatdrought said:

     

    I will say, I heard an interesting piece on Move the Sticks podcast a couple months ago about how they (Brooks and Jeremiah) were wondering if the league was moving away from this. They said if they were to put it into terms now they would say 12 blue chip/above average players to make a contender. 

     

    1 QB (obviously) 

    3 Offensive playmakers/difference makers 

    3 Offensive linemen

    2 Pass rushers

    3 Back end defenders who make a difference. 

     

    So for us that would look like: 

     

    Allen

    McCoy?, ?, ?

    Dawkins, Teller?, ? 

    Hughes, Alexander?

    White, Poyer, Hyde (but edmunds and Milano would be on this list as well.) 

     

     

    I thought it was an interesting idea because it takes away from the idea of position and looks more at overall quality of the team at the various levels. It doesn't matter if you have a stud CB if you have two good safeties who can cover some of the blank spots (they spoke about how CB play in the NFL is getting worse and worse and less valued as well). I think the idea here is that it's about finding playmakers and then building a system to fit them. It really made me think. 


    Very interesting. 

    There certainly does seem to be a formula for winning that is not just as simple as "Get a coach, get a QB". I USED to think that was all that was needed, but the careers of QBs from Dan Fouts, to Dan Marino, to Philip Rivers, to Andrew Luck so far, even to how few rings Peyton Manning won...It's NOT just coach and QB.

    Get a QB, protect him. Get to the opposition's QB and affect him. That's still the gist. HOW that all is done seems to be fungible. 

    The biggest changes I see are interior pass rushers becoming as important as edge rushers, and consequently centers and guards becoming more important than they used to be. Additionally, right tackle has become a more premium position, as more and more top line edge rushers line up on the left.

    Football's strategic evolution is so ***** interesting.

    Antonio Brown trade may be happening today, announcing team soon: UPDATE: TRADED to Raiders

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by Logic

    4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

     

    Bills seem to be in better shape with those four mains than they have been in a long while. (need more consistency at LT, and maybe another pass rusher.)


    Yep, I agree.

    I think the Bills figure they likely have three of the four secure. QB, CB, and LT. They just need their edge rusher. Murphy's just a complimentary piece and Hughes is closer to the end of his career than the beginning. This explains the current rumors about the Bills having serious interest in Frank Clark.

    I will not be surprised in the least bit if the Bills draft an edge rusher at #9 or trade for a recently franchised guy.

    Antonio Brown trade may be happening today, announcing team soon: UPDATE: TRADED to Raiders

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    I've gotta be totally honest: Just about any young, rich athlete with a choice in the matter would rather live in Las Vegas and play for the storied silver and black and a Super Bowl winning coach than live in Western New York and play for a team with a history like the Bills have and a head coach with a career losing record.

    I bleed Bills Blue just like everyone else on here and I love McDermott and I will defend my city/region until the end, but c'mon...Picture being a 30 year old millionaire with no bias toward either region or team. Which one are you going to pick? Can anyone really blame this dude if that's what ends up happening?

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    REPORT: Steelers trading Antonio Brown to Bills! - Per Ian Rapoport (Hold up....maybe, maybe not....) EDIT: DEAL NOT HAPPENING PER BRANDON BEANE - UPDATE: Traded to Raiders

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    15 minutes ago, MTLBills said:

     

    Hence why it is really important that Josh takes big time strides this year.

     

    However, I do think the weather/city shortcomings are seriously overblown... The facilities, coaches, team culture, camaraderie and the fans are all top notch, and if anyone is making a choice based on anything other than those aspects (aside from $, which we have), then I don't want them on my team anyway!

     


    The thing that drives me nuts about people knocking the city of Buffalo is that you never hear the same sort of crap about Cincy, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh, all of which are EASILY as "bad" as Buffalo. And as for the cold weather, people never seem to complain about Green Bay being "Siberia", despite the fact that I'd be willing to bet it has more snow games than Buffalo or at least an equal amount.

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    REPORT: Steelers trading Antonio Brown to Bills! - Per Ian Rapoport (Hold up....maybe, maybe not....) EDIT: DEAL NOT HAPPENING PER BRANDON BEANE - UPDATE: Traded to Raiders

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by Logic

    3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

    This post will be largely ignored in this giant thread, but if you follow this story, you will see that the deal fell apart b/c Brown refused to come to Buffalo.

     

    This is a serious problem for this organization and, contrary to popular opinion at this forum, the Bills cannot overcome this simply by throwing around money.  Everyone has money to throw around, and for many, Buffalo is regarded as the worst landing spot in the league.  If not dead last, certainly bottom 3.

     

     


    It sounds like Brown is demanding that whoever acquire him also make him the highest paid WR in the league. We have no way of knowing if it was Buffalo's lack of willingness to acquiesce to that deal that ultimately killed the trade, or whether it was Brown's dislike of the city of Buffalo. It's all conjecture based on assumption.

    If it WAS simply Brown's dislike of Buffalo that undid the deal, well....Buffalo's image problem isn't new in the NFL. It's been used as a threat against players for years ("Keep messing up and I'll trade you to Buffalo!"). It's always been this way. It hasn't stopped Buffalo from landing some marquee free agents over the years.

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    Does Beane's serious and concerted effort to trade for AB change your perspective on Beane & OBD?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    I already am a big fan of Brandon Beane. I think he is going to prove to be an EXCELLENT GM.

    That being said, I'm actually a bit perplexed at the attempt to get Brown. 

    From a culture standpoint, it doesn't seem like a fit.

    From a "having a head case WR yelling in Allen's ear every time he doesn't get the ball" perspective, it doesn't seem like a fit.

    Considering McDermott recently says he wants a WR that can work well with Allen, catch passes, then put the ball down and line up and do it again, it doesn't seem like a fit.

    Considering McDermott and Beane recently talked down the notion of needing a "#1 WR" in their offense and given the fact that Daboll's Erhardt-Perkins offense historically DOESN'T need a #1 WR, it doesn't seem like a fit.

    I fully grant that adding Brown would be a HUGE boost to the Bills offense from a pure talent standpoint. But from all the other angles I just mentioned, it seems like a weird move.

    One thing it does is show us all that without a shadow of a doubt, Beane views 2019 as the year to strike and really build up the talent level on this team, and is willing to take risks to accomplish that goal.

    REPORT: Steelers trading Antonio Brown to Bills! - Per Ian Rapoport (Hold up....maybe, maybe not....) EDIT: DEAL NOT HAPPENING PER BRANDON BEANE - UPDATE: Traded to Raiders

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    6 minutes ago, Virgil said:

     

    There’s more and more reporting coming out that the organizations couldn’t come to a trade agreement before Brown made any comments about not wanting to play here.  

     

    And when it comes to anything Brown says, I don’t trust him. 


    Is there? I'm not doubting you, but I haven't seen this reported anywhere. It seems to be universally agreed upon that Brown is the one that nixed the trade.

    REPORT: Steelers trading Antonio Brown to Bills! - Per Ian Rapoport (Hold up....maybe, maybe not....) EDIT: DEAL NOT HAPPENING PER BRANDON BEANE - UPDATE: Traded to Raiders

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    I feel mixed about this.

    On the one hand, obviously the Bills don't want a guy who doesn't want to be here. Brown seems to have become very selfish and egotistical, and the thought of him yelling at Josh Allen any time he doesn't get the ball and wrecking the culture that McBeane have worked hard to build sounds terrible.

    On the other hand, his addition to the offense would have immediately made it extremely potent. Brown on one side and Foster on the other would have been IMPOSSIBLE for defenses, and it would have taken defenders out of the box and opened up Buffalo's running game. Furthermore, Brown's addition likely would have meant increased national interest and perhaps an added prime time game or two.

    At the end of the day, I suppose it's a good thing that this head case isn't coming to the Bills. But sheesh, the offense would've been exciting with him in it!

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