Logic

I just know this dude has his computer password written on a piece of paper from a yellow legal pad and taped to the top left corner of the keyboard on his Dell desktop computer on which he's accessing the forums using Netscape Navigator Gold. I know it more deeply than I've ever known anything in my life.

If we're going back to 2024, I'm stocking up on eggs.

Coming off the Tennessee and Seattle games, he was really starting to look like a player, and was really starting to build chemistry with Josh. After the injury? Not good. If you look at any split imaginable -- be it analytics-based, pure volume stats, efficiency, whatever -- from before his injury and after he returned, it's night and day. If we get pre-injury Keon (plus some growth and maturity) this coming season, I'll feel pretty good about his future. If we get post-injury Keon, I won't. I'm STILL mad that we only took one receiver in a historically loaded WR draft, but that's not the purpose of this thread...

Thanks. It's that whole "Twitter isn't working today" thing happening again. Won't let me embed any Tweets. Lame.

Reading that he was a DT that transitioned to OLB just gave me Spencer Johnson flashbacks… Did I dream that?! What a weird time to be a Bills fan that was…

I know he was an all-time great personality, and that he run blocked his ass off and was a special teams and locker room asset, but… He also posted 378 receiving yards and was absolutely limited as a pass catcher. I little sorry to see him go, I guess, but let’s not pretend he was anything more than a journeyman WR4/5 type with a likable personality.

Seems to be a movable chess piece. A guy that started at DT, transitioned to OLB full time, and has even played snaps at nickel corner 😳. I’ll be interested to see what the Bills have in mind for his usage. Intriguing player, and the (early, incomplete) contract numbers indicate he may have a bigger role than some might think…

Fair enough. From my perspective, it'd be nice to add a difference maker on offense AND defense. I realize that's easier said than done, of course. When it came down to crunch time -- by which I mean the AFCCG -- I didn't see any offensive players other than Josh Allen stepping up and elevating the offense. In those "gotta have it" moments, I'm not sure who the no-doubt-about-it go-to playmaker on this team is. There doesn't seem to be one at the present moment. Case in point: not a single receiver or tight end on the Bills roster had over 1,000 yards last year. And yes, I know, "everybody eats", but...still. And before anyone says "they set a team record for points scored last year": Yes, I know. But if you asked Sean McDermott or Brandon Beane or Joe Brady, I bet each of them would tell you it's a goal this offseason to improve the offense. It's a new year, and last year is in the past, and there's no guarantee they'll replicate their success. I still feel the Bills offense is a true WR1 away from being "complete", and I don't think Palmer addresses that issue. He seems to be of the John Brown, Curtis Samuel, Mack Hollins ilk, which is to say: a functional NFL receiver that doesn't elevate the Bills offense or scare the opposing defense.

I can recognize and appreciate the "separation and man beating ability" argument, but... Ultimately, we were all saying "if this offense needs one thing, it's another difference maker", and Palmer simply doesn't feel like that. Now...to be fair...there really weren't/aren't many difference makers available in free agency, short of maybe a Davante Adams. But still... League average receivers who can pitch in 400-500 yards and be effective role players are pretty much all we HAD last year, and so far appear to be all we'll have THIS year. Granted, they haven't yet re-signed Cooper or Hollins, so I suppose from a sheer numbers standpoint, they had to do SOMETHING. But...a year after everyone got excited for career long average receiver Curtis Samuel (and even HE had more career production than Josh Palmer), it's hard for me to get too excited for career long average receiver Josh Palmer. I'm sure he'll play a role. I'm sure he'll have some nice moments. I'm not sure I see how it IMPROVES our offense in a tangible way, though.

Respectfully... Josh Palmer has been in the NFL for four years, playing with a good quarterback. He has averaged 571 yards and 2.5 TDs per season. WR1? Steal of FA? Seems like QUITE the projection.

He should probably get a towel.

I'm genuinely curious: As a man-to-man beater who gets big time separation...why do you feel he didn't excel in what surely seemed to be a wide open wide receiver room in LA last season?

It almost certainly WON'T be $12M/yr. Wait for the full contract terms. The ones you're reacting to were released by the player's agent and don't tell the whole story.

Woof. I don't care about the money. As I said recently, there's no sense in reacting to contract terms when we don't actually know them yet. But purely reacting to the player himself? Hard to get excited about a WR coming off back to back 580 yard seasons, who just had a HUGE opportunity in LA last year and didn't really seize it. He's fine, I guess. Not a needle mover. Very much Just A Guy. Now here come the same people that defended the Curtis Samuel signing last year to tell me how wrong I am...

After being hyped up with all sorts of potential trade targets, big name guys, etc... ...in reality, this free agency class wound up being WEAK SAUCE, and there are a few teams with absolute PILES of money that the Bills wouldn't wanna try to outbid anyway. I expect the usual wave 2 and wave 3 bargain signings and role players, and onto the draft.

Fair. I'm gonna wait to see what they actually do in free agency before I get any level of upset about extending their good, young, homegrown talent.

I could understand being upset or hesitant if the Bills paid Rousseau like a top five edge, but they didn't. Even without the contract details being fully in, he seems to be about 12th in AAV amongst edges right now, and that's before free agency begins and mega bucks get handed out and he starts getting pushed down the list. I think that by this time next month, and certainly by this time next year, the deal will look like a bargain. This front office also likes to extend guys that they believe are ascending, BEFORE they reach their peak and would command considerably more money. See: Brown, Spencer. It doesn't always work out, of course, and there's no guarantee that it will this time. But if it does? Well, again...see: Brown, Spencer.

First day on Two Bills Drive? 😜

Re-signing a 24 year old edge that's still ascending and was ranked 9th in HAVOC created last year to what appears to be a below market deal is good business. For those pointing out the playoff disappearance: Yep, its true. But it doesn't undo the good year he had up until that point or the fact that he's a plus starter. For those saying it takes us out of the "insert favorite trade target or free agent here" market: No it doesn't. If anything, it helps, because this deal likely lowered his cap hit for this season. For those saying "we're just keeping the status quo": First of all, that's silly. Every team re-signs its good players while ALSO still adding more. We haven't gotten to the "adding more" section of the offseason yet, so prematurely saying "status quo" is dumb and reactionary. Furthermore, "status quo" was division champion for the fifth straight year and one drive away from the Super Bowl, so the statement is dumb for TWO reasons. We'll wait to see the full contract breakdown, as always, but all indications so far is that it's a team friendly deal that will keep Groot here through his prime and won't preclude them from adding more pieces. Haters gonna hate...

Great point. And not only that, but the cap will go up next year, and the year after, and the year after. So often a deal looks like mega bucks and fans hem and haw and say "overpay", and by year two or three of the deal, it looks like an absolute bargain.

It's really the best possible outcome for both sides. It's become popular among some Bills fans to hate on Von because he did not represent good ROI for what the Bills paid. But the truth of the matter is that he DID offer quality pass rushing reps last year and DOES still have something to offer. It's best for Von to stay in a locker room he already knows and loves and have another shot at a Super Bowl. It's best for the Bills (from a cap and on-field standpoint) to have him here on a reduced deal. Obviously, if he's not willing to take a big enough pay cut, then cutting him outright becomes the preferable outcome. But so long as he's willing to be team-friendly in his contract expectations, it'd be better to have him here for cheap than to cut him and take on the dead cap.