oldmanfan

again, if you look at the stats from last year there was about one pass per game in the league that was 40 yards or more.

Well stated. People just like to complain.

Samuel. Hamlet. Isabella. Three guys on the roster right now with speed. I am sick to death of this stuff. Why assume there was a guy on day 3 that offers more?

No. You said a threat to go downfield. Any of these guys can run downfield, if in fact that is how Brady sets up the offense. We all get your schtick by now. If they had stayed put and drafted the guy KC took you’d have spent the last two days talking about how we should have gotten a bigger guy that could win contested throws.

Enough already. Samuel is fast. Hamler is fast. Isabella is fast. And on average, as has been posted in the last day or two, there was about 1 throw 40 yards or more per game on average in the league last year. I know now it’s going to be that those guys aren’t good enough, but then you’d be assuming drafting some guy on say 3 would be. And we know what they say about those who assume.

People keep talking about molding the offense around Josh and throwing long. But it’s not like he’s the only QB with an arm. Mahomes has an arm. Brady had one. Peyton. They won Super Bowls as I recall by taking what the defense gave, and taking deep shots when available. I think Josh can do that too.

Only if he runs a 4.216874351 40 yard dash.

Get in to your thick heads people, he's not fast. He will not be running go routes or taking the tops off of defenses. So we will be faced with the same issue as last year, whereDefenses collapse on the short stuff. But he could/shouldexcel underneath. He might end up more like Anquan Bolden - thriving underneath and breaking tackles to get 1st downs. A quote from your post which I was responding to. I thought I’d use phrasing you were familiar with.

It’s equally folly to assume any guy we’d have taken on day 3 would automatically be better than guys currently on the roster. I think they’ll add a guy after June 1.

You have a veteran speedy guy already. Isabella.

We agree then. Sometimes it’s hard to maintain the point when you have multiple people chiming in.

So now the other guys are excused from running fast and catching balls? Wonder what they’ll say to their coaches when the bullets start flying. You’re being a bit ridiculous at this point.

The idea that guys would dog it when every team is watching is silly. The idea that one 40 time means much is silly. We will see how they use him and how he performs soon. Get that through your thick head.

And there are guys that train with track coaches for the 40 which simulates nothing about actual football plays.

When you throw a pass like that maybe 1-2 times a game does that need to be his strength?

When he came out everyone said the knock on him was that he wasn’t accurate, that he could never learn to be accurate, that you can’t teach accuracy, and so on. Anyone watching him knows that’s wrong. He puts it right on guys, and does so with speed, on intermediate routs, our routes, and such.

He is accurate. How many times have you seen him drill the ball into a really tight spot. If you expect a a throw that goes 50-60 yards in the air to drop on a dime every QB in the league will disappoint.

What my question has elicited is that there are multiple opinions on what constitutes a # 1. I highlight Kincaid because the Super Bowl champs have made things work with a TE that is their primary guy. I just think all the yelling about having a #1 WR is lazy. Would I like to have a guy like Chase? Sure. Was Diggs a #1, at least according to some of the descriptions in this thread? Yeah. But was he the last half of last year? Not really, if you believe guys like Greg Cosell. The most important thing to me for the offense is Joe Brady. Can his offense use a group including Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, Kincaid et al effectively..

Again, what is a “legit # 1 WR”? I look at the two teams in the Super Bowl last year. Did either of them have a WR that was a legit #1 WR? Or did they have a great TE like the chiefs, or a good collection of WRs and a good TE like the Niners?

Data someone provided yesterday showed that on average there is less than one pass a game thrown 40 yards and over in the NFL. Then maybe he needs to work on his patience

Nope again. Look at answers here.

I can name some that are the best on their team. But what defines a # 1 WR is not universal as you can see from answers here.

Good answer. So the emphasis on a #1 WIDE receiver may be misplaced.

What I’m getting from my question is you don’t really need a #1 wide receiver, just a guy that teams have to account for more and that can be relied on to make catches. I think that guy for us is Kincaid.

Nope. If I knew I wouldn’t ask the question.