oldmanfan

Christians follow Christ and Hos word. And he calls us to love our neighbor as ourself. I don’t sense that in Butker’s address.

I just found that out, and therefore retract any comments made based on this. Thanks for bringing that up.

I would say an N of 2 isn’t much. Again, he can say what he wants and some may agree. From the reaction it seems many don’t including the Order of sisters who sponsor the school, I believe. No one is saying balancing career and family is easy. What the women I have talked to about it object to is the idea that the only real identity women have are as wives and mothers. Tell you what really amazed me is his clarification where he said he’d like to go back to a time where women cared more about babies than thoughts. That he is intimating that women should not have thoughts is simply absurd no matter your religious persuasion. Yet here you are on social media espousing yours.

And I disagree with the linchpin thing. No one player outside of QB makes the kind of pronounced difference that you’re implying. The linchpin will be Brady and how he sets up the offense.

So you want to interpret some things literally and not others to fit your opinion. We’re done.

I think Hamler’s issue in injuries. But we’ll see. I think your list is pretty accurate. Should be an interesting camp.

One of the issues that keeps coming up is the Bills supposedly don’t have a WR that can “stretch the field”, i.e. run fast. With Claypool, MVS, Hamler, and Isabella plus Shakir and Samuel who both have speed, can we now all agree that is taken care of? Good.

People were all concerned about having a deep threat that can stretch the field. With Hamler, MVS, Claypool and Isabella all in the fight, not to mention Shakir and Samuel who have speed, can we finally put that to rest?

He did not say that about his wife. He said that his wife would say her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and mother. If you are going to parse words be accurate. By implication he is telling the women in the audience their only vocation if they want their life to truly start is to be a wife and mother. That other vocations don’t count.

Perfectly stated. He is a representative of a staunchly Catholic faith speaking to a college of the same. So his comments are not surprising. But Martin Luther began the Reformation precisely because of difficulties with staunch Catholic theology.

I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. He talks of women having diabolical lies told to them, immediately after which he speaks of some that MAY go on to careers but that the majority are MOST EXCITED about marriage and children. Then says his wife’s life TRULY STARTED when she began linking her VOCATION as a wife and mother. He did not use the words mutually exclusive but makes it as clear as day that women should aspire to be wives and mothers. As in his wife had no life before that. And then in an even more inflammatory statement explaining his comments he indicated he aspired to a time when women did not have thoughts. His feelings on the role of women is quite clear.

As a Catholic did you have issues with him criticizing the leadership of the church?

He speaks of vocation as being a wife and mother. Or husband and father.

That does not make you a hater, no. Those are complex issues. There are those that demand transsexuals be eradicated. That is hatred.

I have a perfect example of a great mom and career woman in my own home. I’m sure there are many on this board that would say the same. And when in his supposed clarification he said he wanted to harken back to a day when women were more concerned with babies than thoughts, that is not something I would call a little ham fisted.

It doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive. That’s the point. Butker suggests it has to be.

I will speak for myself. As the father of two girls who just graduated this week (one BA and one MFA), I can assure you they both are more than excited not just of marriage (one is engaged right now) but also of using the gifts and talents God bestowed upon them to use in their professional careers. He may hold up as a tenant of his strong Catholic faith that women should derive their pleasure from being wives and mothers (although that leads me to wonder what his stance on nuns is), but that does not mean all Christians agree. And the topper was when in his clarification of remarks he said he wants to return to a time when women were more concerned with babies than thoughts. That is beyond reprehensible to suggest women would be better off not thinking. I was also, as a scientist, offended by his stance on Covid which ignores the science of viral diseases. And as one who has friends who are members of the LGBTQ community I don’t appreciate his stance there.

I’m Christian as are many of my friends and we find his words repugnant.

Your point about the cap is absolutely correct.

Not if you’re the NFL and trying to get more women fans

Everyone is taking what I said out of context. All I said is that we should go back to a better time, like the 50s and 60s. When men were men, and women had more babies than thoughts. When the only 'Me too' movement was one woman saying she was ready for her 4th child, and another woman agreeing." This is Butker’s clarification. He had time to put this together, time to reflect and what he came up with is women should have babies and not thoughts. That is indefensible, I’m sorry.

Agreed

I have absolutely no evidence to support this, but I’m thinking Josh was sick of dealing with Diggs and wanted him gone.

He has the right to his opinion as do you. I have the right to disagree. Welcome to America.

But I would say then that I’ve seen both Shakir and Kincaid do what you indicate in that intermediate zone. I haven’t watched Samuel much but could he have been in the league as long as he has without doing so? People keep saying we need someone who can go deep to open up the middle. You have 4 guys right now on the roster who fit that: Claypool, MVS, Hamler, and Isabella. It seems to me at least one of them earns a job.