oldmanfan

And water is wet

For all three of these guys - low risk moves. If they come into camp and show they’ve gotten over injuries or have their head straight now or whatever, great! That helps the roster. If not, they get released. Simple.

Just north of Indy. Northwest Indiana is essentially part of Chicago, don’t you think?

I have not had a truly good slice of pizza in Indiana and I’ve lived here 30+ years. Bocces, DiPaulos, somebody please put a franchise out here!

For the record if a policeman is killed in the line of duty I strongly favor the death penalty for the offender.

I enjoy reading the comments here. So many of you have such a deeper understanding of the game than me.

I just addressed this.

I have listened and read some of his stuff. But unfortunately he makes the mistake that is made far too often here and indeed in society at large: he confuses opinion for fact. I have made that mistake myself at times. It’s an easy trap to fall into. When looking at footage and trying to say that Coleman in this case (substitute any player you want) and saying he didn’t get separation and such is a subjective assessment. Facts are not subjective. And I note that when others have watched the same footage and offered differing views they were either ignored or their thoughts discarded. Do we all have biases? Of course. Is it perhaps your bias that your views on Coleman are more aligned with the individual in question, and that may have prompted your response? I don’t know, you are the only one who can answer that. But when you ask how can I respond in a way that gives value, let me offer two things I have done which I hope do that: 1. I have provided insight from my scientific background on the subject of confirmation bias, which I think adds to the discussion by cautioning folks to not just jump onto the bandwagon or dismiss a player based on some of the discussions herein. 2. I have freely indicated that I don’t do exhaustive review of film and such. I do not do so for two reasons: a). I don’t have the time and 2). Even if I did, I do not have the expertise to judge the play of a college player and how that may or may not translate to the NFL. Nor do the majority of folks on this board, I suspect. How Coleman and the others do will make itself clear now that OTAs have started and camp is around the corner. As you do, I firmly believe in differing perspectives and their value. Where it gets difficult is when some slavishly adhere to their opinion and refuse to discuss or lash out personally at those with differing views. I don’t think I’ve done so here. I have in the past and have felt bad about it after. I hope this offers clarification. I will no longer be responding to any of the individual’s posts on player evaluations, as it has been made clear that any comments that take issue with his analyses are not welcome. Other topics however I will consider comment as again, as you point out, differing perspective provide good value. Which answers the question you pose at the end of your remarks. Go Bills!

I disagreed with his comments about the police, just as I disagreed with Butker’s comments about the LGTBQ community. However, I suppose the police have more capacity to defend themselves if required. And both individuals had the right to say what they said no matter how much you or I abhor it. And if either made direct threats they should have been arrested.

Getting close to where he either closes the deal or needing to move on.

I don't have an ax to grind as it appears you may have against Coleman. For me, I just want to see the kid play. Time will tell how good or bad he is, and I would hope we all think he's good. I don't see the need to exhaustively break down film on each and every player. If you have the time and'/or this is your hobby, good for you. Just do it objectively. In my professional career I act as a peer reviewer for a number of medical and scientific journals. I reject probably 80% of the papers I get because the authors are guilty of confirmation bias. The most important part of a scientific paper to read is the Materials and Methods, and that is where confirmation bias is seen. They set up experiments, controls, statistics, and such to reach a preformed conclusion. So when the Results are reported they really don't mean much. Unfortunately that is what I see in your analysis.

Your data is your opinion, not fact. From my reading it seems you view tape and make decisions as to whether you think there is, for example, separation on a pattern. And when you go into an analysis with a preconceived slant, which it appears you might have, confirmation bias creeps in.

Hits: Hamler: gets past the injury bug and finally shows his talent on a consistent basis Collins: solid backup at T and G Miller: it usually takes until the second year after an ACL to get back to normal. Look for Von to get more than 10 sacks Misses: Claypool: sadly he refuses to get his head straight and gets cut fairly early. Would love to be wrong Smoot: I think Jonathan is the 4th DE and Solomon will make the roster Elam: again would love to be wrong, but I just don’t see him ever grasping the zone concepts. We trade him in the preseason.

He did not tear his ACL. From the reports I saw he had a tibial plateau fracture.

And it’s the owner of the team that made the call. And if memory serves correct the owners never voted to disallow kneeling league wide. I feel Kaep had the right to kneel during an anthem. And I also did not agree with his stance on police.

His team owner allowed it. So he got to kneel.

I have no idea where this is coming from, but yes police should be able to live their lives. I am very much pro law and order.

I think the guy in the middle of the defense calling signals is pretty vital.

And the company was OK with it or it would not have happened.

I’m perfectly calm. We’re in OTAs now? Let’s turn to actually watching what the kid does and quit doing things like trying to predict a kid’s future from a YouTube video. There’s a lot of confirmation bias both ways.

With respect to your last sentence, don’t you think that’s the case for any draft pick?

Yes. Talk is cheap. So why do you continue? And that goes for others on the incessantly positive side as well. At this point he is a Bill, he is going to play and we ALL need to get behind him.

And we are still where we were when all this started. A player has the right to say what he wants, people reading or hearing it have the right to express their opinions if they be negative or positive. The league and the team have a responsibility to the other players and teams to indicate the player speaks only for himself. And of course as with seemingly everything these days it all comes down to political persuasion. Some of the same people who lambasted Kaepernick for his stance fall all over themselves praising Butker. And vice versa. Speaking as an Independent, both these guys had the absolute right to express themselves however they wanted. I was OK with Kaepernick kneeling because he cleared it with a Green Beret as being appropriate, and I understand those who hated it. To me the flag stands for freedom, and what you do with your freedom may be repugnant to me but that’s the way it goes. Same with Butker. But with Butker I am less understanding because of his views about the LGBTQ community. Comments like his get like minded folks charged up and that can result in direct harm to folks who simply want to live their lives. His comments about women? Women I know waver between being pissed at the guy and laughing at him, and they are OK with someone wanting to be a homemaker. That’s not a choice the vast majority of women I know would make, but to each her own.

I think you'll see Davis on the field a lot, and the C from UGA has a shot. Hoping the DE from Troy shows something.

Yet that is what happens. The NFL protects the shield like it or not. The health care network I work for would do the same if I made remarks that ticked off a lot of folks.