oldmanfan

Pie wins out over most every cake. Unless it is chocolate cake with thick chocolate fudge frosting. Which is a gift from heaven.

No it's not. But they have short and long term goals. If things look like they're more influencinglong term you criticize them about short term things and vice versa In short it appears you look for reasons to criticize.

I don't know of a successfulculture that has not defined, and more importantly lived, its culture. I know of many who claim a culture but the leaders did not follow it. That's a sure sign of failure. Successful company I meant.

I'll dial it back a bit. The question was the Bills beat the Titans but at what cost. I believe that was intended to ask whether winning with a more conservative game plan was somehow negative in stunting Allen's development. You said, I believe, you would rather him throw the ball all day and lose, you just want him to throw. He was forced into that somewhat in Green Bay and you saw the outcome, a lot of sacks and such. So my question is simple: how does him getting sacked like that, losing like that, truly contribute to his development? Oh, and bring the cards.

I'm a bottom line guy. And I win a lot at poker. You would rather your team lose so you can watch the young QB get killed. That makes sense.

Somehow I knew you'd come back. You can't stand being told you might be in error on something, can you? I figured you'd circle back, so here's a reference to types of organizational culture Steve Jobs I think would fit within the Market oriented culture. Focused on differentiation in the market with a desire for strong control on his part. McDermott might be more on the left side on the graph with focus on internalization and integration. Yes, ultimately organizations either win or lose, doesn't matter if you're a football team, business, church, whatever. Culture defines the personality of the organization and how leaders see as the right paths to become that winning organization. I know this is more complex than you might want to acknowledge but the real world is composed of grays, and not just black and whites.

And you criticized their draft picks and FAs like they contribute nothing. You are really just being absurd in your desire to be critical at this point.

You are criticizing the moves they did NOT make, like not bringing in WRs, not taking QB X vs. QB Y, not drafting X instead of Y. And so on.

I'll et you decide on your question. The players they've drafted (and let's assume it's the last two drafts since you'll argue McD ran that draft, but of course when I start naming names it will all of a sudden be Whaley that did): White - stud Dawkins - starting LT Jones - starting to come on Milano- starting OLb and defensive player of the week a couple weeks ago Peterman - backup QB (for now) Allen - their long term QB Edmunds - long term answer at MLB and a stud in the making Phillps - solid rotational DT Johnson - starting slot CB having a good year McCloud - figuring it out and on the active roster Neal - backup safety and special teams guy Teller- grooming as an O line starter As for FAs: Murphy - coming on and showing his pass rushing ability Star- stabilized the middle of the D front Ivory - solid second RB, we don't win yesterday without him Mc Carron - didn't work out and got back a pick for him Davis - went nuts for whatever reason You really want to go there?

If I'm Beane I do everything in my power to build a quality O line in front of the kid as quickly as possible.

So it was not fun watching Rosen today throw in one pass what Allen did in 10 passes Your words, not mine. But I see your overall point and I was a bit hasty.

Got you. I see where you're coming from. I am not as worried about the offense going forth. They have 10 draft picks and a lot of cap space. I expect heavy emphasis on that side of the ball coming up.

No, it's you showing your unfortunate regular lack of understanding. Dareus was a problem child here. He got shipped out. And we still went to the playoffs, and with the moves we made in the offseason our run D is shored up. Dareus is also in what appears to be a better situation for him (I would bet when he got there Coughlin and Marrone laid down the law). I have said a number of times I would have liked Sammy to stay. But he gets what? 15 million a year? And through his first five games this year he has 1 TD? The guys running the BIlls have a way they want to construct the team. You don't like it. Too bad for you.

Right. Because they got rid of guys who either were making a ton of money and not earning it, or were going to demand a lot of money and whom they felt wouldn't earn it. Rodney Harrison said last night about Beckham and the Giants dustup; you can't have the guy making the most money causing the problems, or words to that effect. That was Dareus a year ago.

Good point. DB made a very good play there. But if Holmes takes one step towards the ball it's complete.

If the owner doesn't feel they can develop him. The owner. The guy who knows the most about football vs. the coaches and front office. This site gets funnier by the day. They win a game yesterday but you come on here and you'd swear they got blown out.

The guys that are always accurate and never miss? They wear gold jackets in August. The kid is developing.

Was the offense awful or was the Titans D good? And if you can run the ball well, you run the ball. And let your young QB continue to grow and develop.

Yes. Because the Colts had done squat all game and they knew they'd get the ball back. Did they win that game or lose it? Remind me.

Open your eyes next week when you're watching the game.

If he was everything you say they would not have moved up to take a QB when they did in the draft. McD and Beane are the only management guys the Bills have ever had that took a QB in the top 10. And Beane has said numerous times how important it is to have a QB that can throw in today's league.

I agree with the OP. It will also open up more play action options.

They are not mutually exclusive. Get that through your skull. Having him throw 50 times a game isn't developing him, it's more likely to get him killed. Allen develops every game. Yesterday he developed. When he threw he was more decisive with his reads. Knew where he was going with the ball more. Threw it away more quickly when he knew there was nothing there. Didn't get sacked because he either got the ball out or knew better when to take off. didn't do those backward spin moves like he did against the Pack. Made some very good throws. Honest to God, some folks I swear have never watched football before.

Who won the game yesterday? Buffalo. What QBs get confidence when their team wins? Pretty much all of them. Put it on the O line and have them respond? A good thing unless you're a Bills fan. Only in Bills country does a team win a football game and the response is "But at what cost?"

I guess the OP is asking what the priority would be. I still say both. I read somewhere that Allen is out before every practice working on his mechanics even as he prepares for the next game.