oldmanfan

That's a good one! Had forgot all about Charlie! Could throw Butch Byrd in there to for his punt returns.

We’ve ignored special teams: Non-kickers: Tasker, McGee, Pike, Neal Kickers: Christie, Gogolak, Lindell, Mike-Meyer Punters: Moorman, Macguire, Mohr, Kidd

Glad to hear

Neither of us are draft experts or we’d do it for a living. I just really wonder why you and others are so damned determined to see the Bills fail.

You think you’re smarter than Beane. That is hilarious.

Do I have proof this is how GMs work a draft? That this is what GMs get paid to do? One does not have to prove something so blindingly simple.

And there you go. Game, set, match.

What I am saying is he has conversations which led him to believe he was going to get his guy. Which has only gone on since drafts were invented. But I forget, you are smarter than the professionals.

If you are pretty sure he’ll be there you do. I love how many folks here think they know more about what’s going on with other teams than an actual GM.

You don’t think he knows way more than you about what’s going on in war rooms around the league during the draft? Get over yourself.

Or maybe, just maybe, he knows the league way better than you and knew he could trade back, get an extra pick, and still get the guy he was targeting

Their first picks in the draft is more accurate

The latter

If you ever root for the Bills to lose to me you give up being a fan. As for surrounding with weapons, the last 3 drafts: Cook Kincaid Coleman

Brady Brian Cox Mark Gastineau Michael Irvin

Would you and the others cut the crap? Pathetic WRs? How about actually watching football? Samuel is good. Shakir is good. MVS has his moments. And we’ll see what we have in Coleman. You’re the guy begging the Bills to take a guy like Franklin in the 4th as if he was going to be the answer? Please. Let’s see how they all actually play.

If I have to pick one pass rushing DE/edge

Because if you had said Shakir is going to do better he would have then said Shakir is probably going to be #1. Or MVS. Or whomever. Anything to be negative. Just ignore him.

Will a 0-17 record meet your wishes?

Bills Mt Rushmore (if going on what the did for the franchise and if not taking into account degenerate murderers): Smith Kelly OJ Ralph If players alone (again if not taking into account degenerate murderers): Smith Kelly OJ Thomas If removing degenerate murderers: Smith Kelly Thomas Shaw

No problem. And Jairus deserves mention at safety.

Steve Young.

Butch Byrd was a CB. He and Booker Egerson were both great. Tre White was great. And Taron Johnson is a great slot CB. But after listing these I indicated I’d put Robert James in place of Taron. All 4 of these guys were better than Winfield or Odomes, although they both were very good.

Some other guys I thought about after my list that merit consideration: CB: I had Taron Johnson but I might switch to Robert James. Terrific corner. S: Had Saimes, Greene, Poyer, Hyde but Henry Jones should get mention here

Seeing as I’m one of the few here who have been watching since 1960 I’ll give it a shot: QB: Kelly, Allen, Kemp, Fergy. RB: OJ, Thurman, Cookie, McCoy (Cribbs very close) FB: Braxton, Gash, Centers, Carleton WR: Reed, Diggs, Moulds, Jerry Butler TE: Warlick, Metzelaars, MacKeller, Kincaid T: Dawkins, Wofford, Stew Barber, Ballard G: Shaw, Joe D, Brown, McKenzie Center: Hull, Wood, Morse, Bemiller DE: Bruce, McDole, Schoebel, Hughes DT: Sestak, Smerlas, K Williams, Washington MLB/ILB: Fletcher, Haslett, Harry Jacobs, Shane Nelson OLB: Milano, Bennett, Stratton, Paup CB: White, Byrd, Egerson, Taron Johnson S: Saimes, Greene, Poyer, Hyde Sure I missed some but these stand out to me.