oldmanfan

McD is not Beane’s boss, which is what you claimed. Why can’t people around here just admit when they make an erroneous statement, instead of then trying to change the statement or question?

Beane isn’t McD’s boss and vice versa. They each report to the owner.

While I get what you’re saying about Allen to some extent, Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, Lawrence Taylor, Joe Montana and others would laugh at your saying Mahomes is the second best player all time.

Yes I saw Badolbills make that mythical top 33 thing, which you bought into for some reason. And of course when drawing a comparison to KC he added in Kelce even though throughout this thread he kept droning on about how the thread only is about WRs. I know exactly what my points are: 1. The having to have two receivers in the top 32 is a mythical construct with respect to any degree of success for an offense, unless you show compelling data otherwise. 2. How many yards any individual receiver on the Bills gains this year is going to be dependent more on how Brady constructs the offense vs. the talent level of an individual receiver. 3. If you want to stick to this too 32 stuff, I think Kincaid will be in that group for all that means. 4. Ultimately it is how many points an offense scores that matters, not how many WRs are in the top 32.

First of all your post said two productive WRs. Then you threw in the having two guys in the top 32 as if that has any meaning. So, again, that is meaningless without seeing what Brady does in constructing an offense. So I mentioned 4500 yards. That would be about 260 yards passing a game. Divide that by 5 receivers and each would need 52 yards in a game. Do I think that’s achievable? If Brady’s offense is constructed to spread the ball around, yes. But we also I think can fairly predict Brady will emphasize the run game as well. So that would also affect the total yards for a given receiver. So let’s look at the Cowboys game last year where we ran the ball down their throats. In your world it would be a negative because the WEs didn’t make X yards. To me what is important for an offense is points scored, not some mythical construct as to how many WRs are within a given number of yards.

So you throw out some mythical standard and it has to be valid, but someone else throws out another and it’s wrong. Sure. So try reading, but what I said is how many yards guys get will depend primarily on how Brady constructs the offense. So predicting until we know that is blowing in the wind. We’ll know more starting this week. But I think it is a fair assumption that the ball is going to get spread around to multiple guys including WRs, TEs and RBs vs. trying to feed any specific guy.

You said we will have no productive receivers. Now that’s going to be defined by some arbitrary, capricious number? It has to be in the top 32? Based on what? How many yards any given receiver in this offense will accumulate depends primarily on how Brady constructs the offense. Do I think Kincaid will be top 32? Yes. But my guess is Brady wants Josh to spread the ball around more. So if we throw for somewhere over 4500 yards and are a top scoring offense I don’t give a damn if we have a guy that is top 32. If we had 3 guys at 33 would that work for you? Or do they have to meet your and Badolbills mythical construct? Absolutely. We’ll see how Brady wants to run his offense which in turn will tell us about how well our receiving corps functions.

That is not what you said. You said we may have no productive receivers. Which is just silly.

Kincaid Shakir Samuel There’s 3 minimum. You’re being overly hyperbolic now.

I thought we were only considering WR in this thread. Your words. Make up your mind.

As if that means anything.

We traded for Samuel. We drafted a guy in the top of round 2 this year. Found a good one in round 4 in Shakir.

Amen

Yep.

Yeah. Thank God the Chiefs had great ones last year.

I do not think there was any way the trade was made unless Josh agreed.

The word you're looking for is hubris.

For those continuing to drone on about the terrible WR corps, should they turn out to play well could you let me know now what position group you'll decide to pick on next? I'd like to start preparing in advance.

1974 season opener. Monday night football, Bills vs. Raiders. Still the most exciting game I've even seen.

Steve Young is a HOFer. Very talented guy, but anyone would be helped by having Rice to throw to and Walsh to design plays.

Bottom line for the defense is when they absolutely have had to make a stop in playoff games to win, they have not. And that has to change or McD likely has to move on. As for the offense, you cannot expect perfection, but they have come up with plays when needed far more than the defense. You need both to win a Lombardi.

The fliers were guys like Claypool and Hamler and MVS.

Imagine anyone with a functioning arm with Rice and Walsh

It would be nice to bring in an Aiyuk or Adam’s but it’s hard to see how it would work with the cap.

The key is that opinions are just that: opinions. Not facts. We are all guilty at times of substituting one for the other, some more times than others. This topic also brings up what I see as a real problem with society at large now days: a lack of recognition of expertise. With the advent of social media everyone thinks they're an expert on any given topic you name, while those who truly are experts in their field are told they don't know anything. I have run IVF labs for decades and some woman insisted on arguing with me on social media that she knows more about reproductive biology than me. Her claim of expertise was apparently that she was a hairdresser. So the GMs in the league? All have expertise far greater than I have or will ever have so I take what they say seriously. Talking heads who get paid just to throw an opinion out that may or may not be educated? Not so much.