oldmanfan

I would say no. And I base that on living outside Indy and reading about Manning. Manning practiced a lot with his WRs and demanded precise patterns. If you were running a 10 yard out it better be 10 and not 11 because he was throwing it to the 10 yard mark. I think Brady is even more demanding. I was watching several games with playoff implications after the Bills game. Have to say I saw a lot of errant throws from a lot of guys.

He missed a few today. He's missed a few every game. I'd love to sit with you next season and chart throws together and see how close we agree. I mentioned above I wonder what the inter and intraobserver variance is in all these analyses.

The kid has work to do in the passing game but his ability to run like that adds a dimension others just don't have

Throw Alonzo out of the league. Does this crap all the time

Shady needs to be a third down back

Good response after the pick 6

Good throw and catch

Agree with Beurlein. Allen has to be pushed this off season on those short throws.

Rookie mistake. Snookered by a veteran DB

That doesn't look good for Tre

Add a punter to the offseason list.

Rookie QB mistake. Makes it exciting though

Not a very good pass but finally a WR makes a tough catch!

I hate in when he throws back into the middle of the field. Worked there though

Go back and read then. It's ignorant to argue when you have not even read what I and others have written about the potential problems with the PFF analysis.

Why don't you for once stop with your nonsense? No one is saying the kid has arrived. He obviously has more to learn and more to improve on, and any cursory view of posts around here will show that. What people do see though is the potential to become the guy. When the only thing you can do is to deliberately lie about what people say it shows your ignorance. Yes. Go back and read what I and others have discussed about the difficulties in such analyses. But you won't because you have what is called confirmation bias. You want Allen to fail therefore anything that says he will you suck up to and anything that challenges it you won't read. Just as well; you likely wouldn't be able to understand it anyway.

No one set the edge all game long

Yes I did and have commented on it extensively herein as to the difficulties in such analyses. Some of us don't blindly take numbers someone throws out there to support a set conviction as you have done.

Such ignorance around here

Good points. I don't know if he makes it or not. What I have a problem with in this and other threads are: 1. Reactive belief of stats without a true understanding of what they may or may not mean 2. Folks claiming some Nostradamus-like insight as to the future of this kid without any real idea what they're talking about, confusing their opinion with fact. All rookie QBs go through growth periods, some longer than others. Some have better teams around them, some not. The last and maybe only rookie QB I can think of that had "it" from day one was Marino. All others had ups and downs as they figured things out. Let Allen play, let him learn. Quit dissecting every single pass as if that definitively makes him great or terrible.

Winston too. The guy who you have traded an entire draft for. But we should bow down at your wisdom.

You're responding to someone who felt Winston was going to be the God of QBs and stated he'd trade an entire draft for him so keep that in mind. I'm afraid you've hit the nail on the head. There are some who have confirmation bias; they said Allen would not work and will hang onto anything to support that because they would rather brag about being right than see the kid succeed. Of course you also have the other extreme, and equally invalid. I think any objective appraisal of Allen would say a couple things. One, he has work to do to become a consistent NFL QB. Second, he's shown more that many thought he would as a rookie. Third, he needs more help around him to reach his potential. I think history tells us first round QBs have around a 50% chance of success. Allen is no exception.

If I approach my interpretation of the PFF data as I would reviewing a scientific manuscript, I would ask a couple questions. Hapless has already mentioned one: a more complete description of their methods. I would also ask about how many people they have reviewing each QB. Do they have one person doing the analysis of each QB? Several? How well do individual observers agree on their ratings (measurement error)? Do they average results from several observers? As one who has the responsibility of quality control in a lab, I have to deal with these type things on a regular basis and can tell you there can be significant inter and intraobserver variability. I think there is probably some useful info in the PFF material. I just don't know how much or how useful because I don't know enough about how they did the analysis. Again, says the guy who wanted to trade an entire draft for Winston but pretends he's a QB savant. He can have another year? How generous of you given you have absolutely no say in it.

If the stats mean much. Read Hapless above; he describes the issues very well.

Thanks for this reply. I am not biased for or against Allen; I just want apples compared to apples. As I pointed out I was intrigued by the article but would like to sit with the PFF guys to see how they break down misses, tight coverage etc. Hapless points out reasons why their analysis could be skewed and why O linemen hate their analysis. Ultimately their analysis tries to put objective measures on their subjective calls on things.