oldmanfan

I'll take your word for it but I also know they're were people thinking he'd be just another Texas Tech failure, who now swear they were his biggest fans predraft.

And plenty of people were skeptical. You pull your predraft opinion out of the archives and show me

It wasn't obvious then and it's not obvious now

Good discussion. When looking at the Glenn thing, you have to look at the whole picture. They knew they had to move up to get the guy they wanted, and there were only so many teams to have discussion with to do so. As it turns out Cincy was the one, and then you have to take into consideration their needs when discussing trades. They needed an LT, we had one that was hurt pretty much all last year plus we had a young guy to take that spot. So that made sense. Kind of a win-win, they got a player they needed, we got the position to take the QB we needed. As far as the rest of the line, they did bring in Bodine to play C when Wood retires. Amy not be the best guy out there, but I don't think there were many options at C in free agency. And Richie went nuts; could not have predicted that. I explained going into the regular season with two young QBs; they shouldn't have. We are just disagreeing on who the third guy should have been.

shady may be hitting that point in his career where he will be more effective in a complementary role. I liked seeing him and Ivory in the game at the same time last week. Shady is still a matchup nightmare for defenses when he's split out wide.

I'm hoping Tiller or Bottinger step up at G. I can't imagine they won't use some cap space on the O line and at WR.

You apparently did not actually read the article in the OP. The author specifically talks about Daboll doing a good job but being hamstrung by the talent. You can agree or not, but it would be nice for folks to read articles referred to before commenting.

I think Allen played better than McCarron, not just Peterman. And when they saw that and realized McCarron might be watching, McCarron wanted no part of that. So they got an asset for him. And at that point yes they should have signed a vet who could have been a mentor type,

So just ignore what they see on the field and in practice. That makes no sense. And I was fully behind McCarron coming here. I do agree about bringing a guy in when he got traded and have said so repeatedly.

Glad you think that. I suspect (actually I'm positive) there are others here that really want to see him fail.

Absolutely. If I were them I'd be doing the same thing. But in a few years say they can't replenish their roster and start to fade, I am sure their fans will start calling for McVay's head.

Like I said I don't expect him to do well. But it would be nice to see, right?

You unfortunately are one of the people who would be included in the shut them up list. I just don't understand d why this kid throws up on himself. And I certainly hope Daboll does not give him looks where he has to throw that our pattern again.

Good for them that they're going all in, and if it works great. I just think historically it's hard to have a consistent winning team if you trade away a lot of your picks and rely on cap games and one time FAs. But we'll see.

Well, some of this is just not true. They did address Wood for example by getting Bodine. Trading Glenn? You ignore he was hurt all of last year with a big cap number, and that trading him allowed them to move up to get Allen. Plus Dawkins was already there ready to take over. Maybe you could have moved Glenn inside, true. And I agree with the WR stuff, although again that was partially due to their cap space philosophy. And they did try to get guys like John Brown. I think your assumption that McCarron would have gotten us 2-3 more wins is wildly optimistic. And I say that as one who assumed McCarron would be that kind of guy. He simply showed little if anything in pre-season. Why do people say that the team should have ignored Peterman's good preseason and known he would have been bad., and if the same breath assume McCarron would have been good in the regular season even though he was bad in preseason?

Right. Sure.

I hope the kid comes out and shuts people up on Sunday. I don't expect it, but I just hope he remembers how he played in preseason and transmits that to Sunday, instead of throwing up all over himself again.

Good stuff as always Shaw. Couple things. One, don't worry about Edmunds. It was a big hit and he got helmet to helmet on the guy. That will cause a concussion in anyone. Second, we have a problem at QB of course, but not much can be done right now. Anderson made some plays but also made mistakes, which is why journeyman QBs are called journeyman QBs. Wouldn't make a difference what name you put on the guy, Anderson, Sanchez, Barkely, Moore, that is what happens when you start reaching down into the bottom of the barrel because of injuries to your starting QB. Backup QBs just don't do much in the league.

Which is exactly what I just said. Other than not having Anderson or someone else like him come in when they traded McCarron, what else exactly could have been done differently? I like everyone else assumed McCarron would be the starter, and Allen would sit behind him and lean until they decided to put him in. well, unfortunately McCarron did not pan out as expected; he did not play well in pre-season and Peterman did. So what exactly was the coaching staff supposed to do, just ignore what went on during practices and in pre-season games? Just assume that McCarron would magically straighten out when the regular season started? So Peterman got the call and the biggest issue we've had with this entire QB thing is that Peterman for whatever reason throws up on himself when the real games start. So then Allen gets the call, just like every other rookie drafted this past year other than Jackson has done. And Allen as expected had ups and downs. So, again, yes they should have brought in a vet like Anderson maybe when they brought McCarron in (although reports are they tried to get Anderson in and he didn't want to sign then). But ask yourself this: would it have really changed anything? Would a guy like Anderson (or let's throw out other names: Sanchez, Barkley) really, honestly have changed the course of what went on this season? Would our record be that much better with any journeyman QB in there? Would it have forestalled getting Allen in there? Highly doubtful. The offense is in a bad way right now, not because we should have signed journeyman X over journeyman Y in March. It's because we have had our rookie QB hurt, and we've had to go with backups. Even with Allen our offense was going to be problematic because that's what happens with rookie QBs. And when you now have to go out and find a fourth QB to back up your 3rd QB because of injuries it gets really bad. So really, looking at all this you can say they should have signed a guy when they traded McCarron. Fine. You can say Peterman never should have started if you want to ignore his excellent pre-season. Fine too. But it doesn't make those arguments correct, and it doesn't mean our season miraculously improve.

How? Other than not bringing Anderson in earlier when they traded McCarron, how? They are down two guys that got hurt. So they have to bring a fourth guy in.

He's getting there.

When he gets cleared to play he'll play. No one is saying he needs surgery, just that they don't want to rush him back till he's 100%. And I expect a better backup situation here next year.

They don't have many choices right now. And they drafted the guy with the biggest arm in recent memory

Seems reasonable. And for those saying they need to replace Allen give it a rest. That's not happening and you know it.

I get tired of repeating this but I have said many times they should have brought Anderson or a similar guy in when they traded McCarron. And I have also said with Peterman that the mystifying thing is that he looks so good in preseason and practice but then throws up on himself. That said, when teams have two QBs go down with injuries they then have little if any chance. Then you grab what you can. And true to form people tonight are complaining about Barkley as if Jimbo is out there waiting.