oldmanfan

I recall seeing pictures of McD on the field one on one with Dareus, talking with him and (I guess) trying to get through to him. I think he really tried to get Dareus to understand the level of commitment he wanted and Dareus just refused. Turned out to be a good decision.

I was going to approach Warren Buffett about investing advice. But I guess he's too old. Good thing I read through this thread.

It is probably blasphemy around here but I don't see how Marv got into the Hall, at least as quickly as he did. I think coaching lost the first and fourth SBs.

To me it all started with Tom Donahoe. Ralph reached outside the organization for him, and when he didn't succeed Ralph (or maybe Litman; I think the great untold story in the 17 year failure was Litman's influence on an aging owner) was not going to go outside again. So that begat Marv, who had no business being a GM, who hired Jauron, who proved the point that a great coordinator doesn't make a great HC, which begat Nix, and so on, and so on. That's why I divorce anything that has happened since the Pegulas took over from done under Ralph. They've made their share of mistakes (Rex???), but it's comparing apples and oranges.

Absolutely. For the record I thought Edwards was the answer.

How about this: I could care less about such instances, because it doesn't matter a hill of beans what other teams do, and because I was not the one making such a big deal about it. I think having guys that have been through it talking to younger guys coming up in generally a good idea, whether it's football or business or whatever. Maybe they share what worked in terms of leadership and, perhaps even more importantly, share things they messed up. Sorry you're getting so upset. Are you going to send your dad to beat me up after school now? I see this point. If I'm Allen I'd take whatever time Jim wanted to give me.

And I'll comment on them. As you can comment on mine. Agreed. I'm grouchy this morning for some reason. Gunner gets it. Ultimately they have their plan, and it will succeed or not. My gripe is the assumption by some that it won't succeed. Time will tell.

Next time don't make declarative statement that you then have to retract. From a football perspective I see your point. But Kelly also led a team that had its share of interesting personalities, and insight into how he approached leadership could certainly be helpful to a young guy that has to now shoulder that responsibility.

But,but but but - you have to show me the baby!!!!! You can think and post what you want. I can comment on them. Quit being ridiculous.

Of course not. Don't you know that the Bills organization doesn't think about things? They just come up with ideas in a dream and then put them into action with no forethought at all. And that stands regardless of the GM, owner, etc. etc. Because Beane is Whaley is Nix is Brandon is Marv is Donahoe is Butler is Polian, and on down the line. Much like Pegula is Ralph. And how McD ultimately is the same as Buster Ramsay. Because the faults of any previous Bills coach, GM, owner, etc. are to be blamed on whomever occupies the positions currently. It's why the naysayers continue to evoke memories of the past to curse the guys there now.

Thanks. Joeinwinslow asked for ONE team (his capitals, not mine) that had a former great QB come in to help mentor a younger guy. Game, set, match.

Exactly. They are no different than any other team. They have a plan and we'll see if they're right or wrong.

Whatever. Kelly has leadership skills, Allen will be the leader of this team. Pick his brain about that. Questions I'd ask Jim if I were Allen: 1. How did hosting parties after every home game help bring the team together? 2. As a young QB what's the best way to call out veterans if I need to? Just a couple of many leadership type questions one could ask. Effective leadership skills don't have an expiration date.

It's good to see logic on this board. McD and Beane have a plan on how to build a consistently successful championship football team. They are implementing their plan. Their plan involved getting rid of players they didn't think fit and taking a cap hit quickly to do so, then using their dollars to get guys they want. If their plan works they'll be heros. If it doesn't they'll get fired. That is reality. The other reality is if they had done what some wanted and just retooled a bit, worked around the edges, etc. the naysayers would be on here moaning about how they should have stripped everything down, taken the cap hit all at once, etc. Because the agenda is to argue against whatever the Bills do to look cute on a message board.

Because you are completely off base. If you had a company with a young CEO learning the ropes, would you not think it would be good to have a former retired successful CEO maybe talk with him about what he learned in his career?

Ditto. Thankfully you have nothing to do with the operation of the team. Or maybe you should be the one giving Allen tidbits from time to time. You obviously must think you're more qualified than a HOF QB.

Again, pure drivel. Your propensity for over-reaction is mind boggling.

You are, to put it mildly, a moron. Kelly has been there and done that. Do I think he should have input on the actual offensive plans, etc.? No. Do I think as a guy who played years in the league he can offer some perspective on the expectations of a QB in Buffalo, in terms of interacting with the community, teammates, etc. The answer to that is an obvious yes, and you're just being ignorant if you think the opposite. That is reality. You live in some delusional world if you think the opposite. What is YOUR reality here. Do you actually think having a HOF QB offer a kid some advice is some how hurting him? How?

As if you have any damn clue about what these teams did or did not do.

What utter , complete nonsense. What drivel. What utter crap. Kelly is not an albatross, and no one here is idolizing him nor are blind to the fact that his team lost 4 Super Bowls. And no one here has any delusions that Kelly is somehow telling Allen how to run the offense or whatever. What Kelly is, is a HOF QB that can share his experiences with a young QB who all hope will become the next great QB of the Bills, and that will lead them to a Lombardi. If you don't think he might be able to pick up a few things from Kelly about leadership, team dynamics, hell even how hosting parties at his house might help with team unity then you are either completely ignorant about such matters or are being willfully dumb.

Like what? A HOF Qb talking to a young QB, offering advice to him? What exactly is the downside?

I have commented in the past that reporters should probably quit posting their emails or twitter accounts or participate in sites like this, because it seems when you try and then have a dialog they get all pissy about things. Wawrow not so much usually; Graham is the king of that. So I would say Mr. Wawrow might want to consider not interacting in a forum such as this, because for him it's a no win situation. That said, it is abundantly clear that there are some posters on this board (just like there was on the BBMB back in the day) who take some kind of perverse joy in constantly being negative about things associated with the Bills. I used to think it was a defense mechanism given the state of the team for years, but now I think it is obvious some do this because they think it's cute to get a rise out of folks and give themselves some sort of bizarre ego boost.

Yeah. Whether official or not having a HOF QB communicating with the young QB is such a bad idea. What could he possibly tell the kid that would be useful?

Bullcrap

There are a few people here who think it's cute to be negative about all things Buffalo Bills. Odd way to get your jollies.