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6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
I am old enough and while I was a kid in the mid 60's so my memory is a bit hazy I vividly remember when the AFL reached parity with the NFL at the top and that wasn't until 1968. The Bills had a great AFL team in those days but it was inferior to the best NFL teams.
My comp would be in soccer the MLS compared to the British Premier league. Winning an MLS title is a big deal and the top MLS players are very good but they are not close to being as good as the Premier league.
And as others have said, IMO Lamonca was the better QB on the Bills at that time which he showed in later years at Oakland.
You cannot say they were inferior until 1966 when the Super Bowl started. I think our 65 team would have had trouble with the Packers, but I'd have put up the 64 team against the Browns anytime.
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Sign me up for this. I could see a move for a CB in the first three picks if Benford can't make it back. I'll look forward to the next version after free agency; I see the Bills going after a big-time edge rusher or WR.
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1 minute ago, Pete said:
Beasley was a good slot guy. But we Jake Kumerow and Isiah McKenzie is not a SuperBowl winning WR crew
I'm glad you seem to be rescinding the idea that they've done nothing to help Josh.
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1 minute ago, Pete said:
ALL22. He added one WR diva. Bills keep 6 WR. I don't want Diggs and 5 JAGS
They also had Beasley who was a great slot WR. Just admit you exaggerated. Now, do they need to add to the room this offseason? Sure. But then again, I heard a very interesting comment about the Chiefs the other day, about how having Mahomes and his ability to lift the performance of otherwise average WRs they have been able to add a lot to their defense. Now they of course have Kelce too, but it's an interesting take. I anticipate we go after a stud WR either in trade, FA, or draft, but it's also true that guys like Kincaid and Coleman need to continue to improve.
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4 minutes ago, Pete said:
who were 2 and 3? You line up 3 and 4 WR sometimes. We bargain shopped besides Diggs. And Diggs turned out to be toxic
You said they have neglected WR for Allen's entire career. Clearly they haven't, as Diggs demonstrates.
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24 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:
I can guarantee you that we won't get to a super bowl let alone win one with this regime and coach.
Given such insight can you pick stocks for me? Given you can predict the future?
The difference yesterday Sunday was coaching to this extent: the call made by Spagnolo to completely switch up that blitz was brilliant. And I think you could question why Cook wasn't on the field that last drive. But when you get down to it, at crunch time the guys on the Chiefs make plays and don't make mistakes. The Bills make little mistakes that cost them. The past two years the offense has had the ball with time left and an opportunity to win the game and hasn't finished. I am confident they will break through.
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21 minutes ago, Pete said:
Bills must get Josh WRs who can catch the ball, who can separate, who can run a route tree, who can win vertically!!!!!!
yes we need DL, CB, DE. But we have been neglecting Josh and WR his entire career. 4 year agos we desperately needed WR, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, and last year., We have ignored Josh's needs. It is obvious we need WR. For the love of God, get Josh a few talented WRs!
His entire career? Heard of a guy named Diggs?
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9 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:
He helped with the 8 team league so he is your favorite? The number of teams makes it like winning the divisional round.
Kelly did not rack up stats compared to Allen. Kemp is the reason the team was motivated?
You cannot compare stats between eras because of the rule changes. In Kemp’s era defensive backs had a lot more freedom. The average one on one coverage back then would draw a flag for unnecessary roughness today.
I wish people who are not old enough to have watched the AFL would quit dismissing their teams and players. No Kemp may not have been the physical specimen Allen is, and no I am not saying Kemp was better by any means. But Kemp was an excellent QB. He had a very strong arm, could run, and was an excellent leader.
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4 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:
Professional football lost something primal with the merger. The hatred between the two leagues was real and had me as a Bills fan rooting big time for the Jets & Chiefs in the 1968 & 1969 Super Bowl games.
But I also realized in hindsight that it wasn't until the late 60's that the best AFL teams were a match for the best NFL teams. Those Kemp championship Bills teams would have been at best middle of the road NFL teams in 1964 & 1965.
For full disclosure, I was a Lamonica fan over Kemp.
Not so fast. The Bills defenses on those championship teams were incredible. They would have given the Browns or Packers a fight if there had been a Super Bowl.
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I grew up watching the AFL teams. Caught a pass from Kemp at autograph day. He was a great leader and damn fine QB.
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New special teams coach. Maybe new D line coach.
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65 years and counting. At the Rockpile in 1960 as a 4 year old. Beane has to upgrade talent like all GMs do. Go Bills!
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29 minutes ago, Mango said:
We’ve had MD’s on this board scratch their head at the NFL clearing athletes to play.
Soccer and hockey have guys miss entire years of games, but there isn’t one player in the NFL who has gotten hit in the head and missed 16+ games. That doesn’t seem strange to you?
I can only go by the league protocol.
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It sucks. It will suck for a while. But as one of the old guys around here I have memories of our AFL championships, so I think about those. And I do think that so long as #17 comes out on the field we have a shot at winning every year.
Bottom line is we have to beat a team that will go down in history as one of the best ever, with a guy in Reid who will go down in history as one of the top 3 coaches and the same with Mahomes. So it's a tough mountain to climb. But I think we'll make it. And I can certainly think of darker days, like when John Rauch used OJ as a decoy, or the Kay Sephenson/Hank Bullough debacle years. I've got 65 years invested now; I'm not going anywhere.
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53 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
And you still don't know that, correct?
Is this really what you want to discuss today?
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10 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
No, I don't know that and neither do you. Bishop will certainly be given an opportunity to earn the role though.
I said likely, correct? I suspect we are going to look CB more than safety in the draft, especially given what happened with Benford on Sunday.
I envision we will use free agency or trade to go after either a big time DE, WR (or both). Dt is supposed to be deep in this draft, so I see us going there. I heard something interesting this morning about the Chiefs. They said that because of Mahomes and his excellence they were able to go more on defense and build that side of the ball, knowing that with Moahomes (and Kelce) he can make average offensive guys better. Wonder if Beane thinks the same about Josh. Regardless clearly Beane has to hit on guys this offseason.
9 minutes ago, Mat68 said:I have Coleman step into Hollins role. Coleman as a power slot is his ideal position. Buffalo needs to add some outside speed and the offense is pretty set. Defense needs Dline and secondary help. I expect those to be the 2 of the 3 early picks. Beane has some cap and draft capital to reshape the roster even more.
I think Hollins is a definite resign. Made some big plays on offense an special teams and is a fixture in the locker room.
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1 minute ago, Bangarang said:
No, it's the reality of how he was on the field. Bishop was not good and you thinking that he was is laughable. Maybe he improves but to blindly say he was good and should be a starter next year is objectively wrong and premature.
He and Rapp will likely be starters. You know that.
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13 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
Bishop looked pretty good? He was terrible and a total liability out on the field.
No he wasn't. He has stuff to learn certainly as most rookies do. This is just more emotional irrationality after a tough loss.
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Going forward these are two guys that are going to have to make significant contributions. We need younger guys, former draft picks to assume significant roles on this team.
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29 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:
please. Kurt Warner couldn't dream of making some of the throws Allen makes. The brain goes to different places depending on what you're capable of. Imagine a world where Josh Allen only attempted to make plays based on Kurt Warners capabilities.
And i'll say this, Kurt Warner would likely be better at being Kurt Warner than Josh Allen. But Kurt Warner never had the option to be what Josh Allen is.
You can go on all day and night about whether Werner could have made the throws Allen can make. And he couldn't. But in doing so you entirely miss the point. What Warner was talking about is reading the defense, setting protections, and having routes available so Josh would not have needed to try and make the kind of hero throw he made, and that Kincaid should have caught. I think Johnson was set to the right of the formation. If he would have just saw the safety blitz and drifter right to give Josh a target Jiosh could have easily dumped it to the right flat and Johnso picks up the first down.
The brain goes to different places depending on what you're capable of? Are you suggesting Josh's brain was incapable of processing what was coming on that play? I don't think so. It was a great call by a great DC that fooled Brady, Josh, McGovern, pretty much everyone on the Bills offense. And for that you give Spagnolo credit.
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13 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:
And right before the play, Romo talks about it and says he thinks Spaga was going to send the blitzers. He has better instincts than our coaches.It wasn’t that they didn’t expect a blitz, it’s that they expected it to come from the left side of the formation.
41 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:kurt warner has no idea what its like to play inside the body of Josh allen. Josh allen wouldn't be josh allen if he played the way Kurt warner played. Was Josh Allen the least sacked qb in the nfl this year? I think he's just confident in his own way of playing the game. And it could have worked out. SHould have? maybe
I think insinuating that a HOF QB has no idea about playing in the body of any QB is silly.
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Need a good off-season to include young guys currently on the roster. Coleman has to figure out how to use his body to get more separation. Bishop looked pretty good and should start next to Rapp. Carter and Solomon need to become assets on the D line. Hardy needs to get off the practice squad and contribute at CB.
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2 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
I agree - 1. Worthy was not the position they were looking to fill and 2. Let’s see if he can stay healthy at 170lbs.
However, I was not a fan of the Coleman pick - it dealt forced in that they wanted a bigger boundary receiver. Still, he might develop and he deserves that chance, but they should bring in competition or a viable starter in case he doesn’t develop. If that position was easy to fill, Gabe Davis would not have gotten the FA contract that he did.
Kincaid reportedly played with a torn PCL. Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have made that catch, but he still has a chance to be good - clearly though there were other good TEs in that draft who have outperformed him so far. I expect he will rehab hard and come back to establish himself as a good player.
To your point about needing impact players- I agree. Problem is picking late in each draft makes it much harder to find impact players compared to picking at the top of rounds.
No question about it being harder. Beane and his scouts need to earn their $$. And I left out what I ask for every year in the draft - a big tub of goo. Need a 1T to anchor the middle of the line.
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Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:
There wasn’t anyone on the left to come. The numbers were to the right. But they thought they were bluffing. Now maybe he slid it to Chris Jones. That’s actually my guess. Chris Jones is the guy you want extra attention to. So they ignore the pressure look and thought KC was bluffing.
Thats just unacceptable to me. Allen is going to think about it all offseason.
I’ll say it again: sometimes it’s not you doing something wrong, it’s the other guy doing something right. And that was a brilliant defensive call
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If Allen asks for a new staff he should get it.
in The Stadium Wall
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Agreed. If there was a thing to criticize about Sunday I’d put not having Cook in on the last drive