i'm sure it's been said already, but i completely understand the negativity. it's warranted, and i understand its origins. that being said, there a point where it goes completely overboard. we all know at least a few in real life, and on this board that can't carry on a normal football conversation because they're entirely too jaded by this team. why bother? it's a game and should be fun. if you can't even discuss football and get some enjoyment, time to move on.