it was totally my move the buy the "previous" year model that hasn't been driven yet. they can't wait to get them off the lot, and will usually give a big incentive. when i've looked at the dealers so far, they really don't seem to have any 2017s. i'll do a larger look, but since i'm going to have this year for the next 8 years or so, i'm likely going with a 2018. part of the problem is that i'm still between 3-4 cars. it's really down to two, but once i'm done the test drives, i have to make a decision so i can start doing a wide net search. i'll drive a couple of hours too to get a good deal. my last car i had to go to penn yan, (an hour and 15 away) and did all negotiations online. well worth it. after this weekend i should have a pretty good idea where i stand.