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Or the Giants are just not willing to trade with the Jets? Have those 2 teams ever traded with each other? I can't think of a single one, and couldn't find one when I tried to doduble check on google.

Or maybe this 2018 draft is like the last draft where 3 QBs went off the board at 1, 2, 3 - 1999. and two of the top 3 end up being like Tim Couch and Akili Smith. lol

For sure. Teams havent even finished vetting this QB class yet. There are Still more pro days, and visits to team facilities + private workouts haven't happened yet. I would guess most teams teams aren't comfortable enough to sell the farm for a QB in this draft yet. Had they waited, they probably could have gotten a better offer like you said.

It sounds like the Colts did have other comparable offers but chose to go with the Jets offer because Ballard said he can still get a blue chip prospect at #6. This was actually a pretty reckless move by the Jets when you think about it. They haven't even had a chance to meet with all the top QB prospects for more than 15 minutes yet. And all they did was guarantee that they can get the 3rd QB off the board. Four top 50 picks for possibly the 3rd QB in this draft, who they may not have even met with extensively yet or attended his pro day (if it's Mayfield/Allen)... ? They havent even had any of of these QBs in for a visit yet! Or done private workouts.... (that I'm aware of)

I dont, sorry. Im not even sure if you can make polls public here. Maybe someone else here can answer?

Is there any way to make it a public poll so we can see who voted yes? ?

I thought you were implying that they SHOULD be fired. I apologize that I mistook your poll. My bad.

Yes, he should be fired before he's even had 1 freaking draft with the Bills. Especially after breaking that 17 year playoff drought. If he hasn't landed his franchise QB 6 weeks before his first ever draft with the Bills, he should absolutely be fired!

Weren't both Carr and Wilson drafted after the change to the collective bargaining agreement (in 2011 IIRC)? And I can't imagine a team passing on Drew Brees high in the draft just because they didn't want to pay him what rookie contracts were going for... most likely he fell to the 2nd because of his height and perceived ceiling in the NFL. Drafting a QB is a total crap shoot. I agree though, chances are better in the top 2, which is where we need to get if we want one of the top 2 QBs. The only thing the Jets did was guarantee themselves the 3rd QB off the board. The 3rd QB off the board is absolutely no guarantee that they will get a great QB. What are the odds that the 3rd QB drafted in a given year is a great, franchise changing QB? And one that will be THAT much better than a QB taken later? I bet the odds are not that astronomically different that the 3rd QB off the board will be somewhat similar to the 4th/5th etc. Also, If the Bills spend all their ammo getting to 3, we may not have had anything left to get to #2. I dont agree that that we should have tanked this season though. You can't attempt to change a broken, losing culture by tanking. And if McDermott and Beane would have tanked in their very first year here, how do they ever gain credibility or buy-in in the locker room? Anyway, Its just not realistic to expect 2 guys who worked for the last 20 years to earn their positions (GM and Head Coach), to just tank and throw away a season their rookie year on the job. How do you force NFL players to tank anyway? By "the outcome was expected" do you mean their playoff loss? If so I agree. But if you're saying that the playoffs were expected I disagree. Most had the Bills as one of the bottom 3-4 teams in the NFL. Most seemed to think we were tanking... I'm not even sure Beane or McDermott planned on making the playoffs last year. They likely thought they'd be sitting higher in the draft I bet... It seems to me that McDermott and Beane have been playing the long term game since they got here. But you can only control what you can control. Look, I am all for trading to #2 and getting our QB. But I am not going to act like its the end of the world if that doesn't happen. Unfortunately it may not be in the cards this year, and if it's not I am not going to lose all hope of the Bills finding their franchise QB. I mean, Beane hasn't even had a single draft with the Bills yet. Not every GM can land their franchise QB in their 1st draft... And im certainly not going to regret breaking the playoff drought last season.

Plus, when you look at the draft value chart and what the Jets gave up in points to get from #6 to #3, and what we would have had to trade to beat that... You're probably looking at giving up all 6 of our top picks, or all 5 of our top 65 picks + a 2nd or even 1st next year, only to be guaranteed the 3rd best QB in this draft. And it seems that the Colts obviously valued one of the blue chip prospects in this draft pretty highly... so who knows what it would have taken. Will the 3rd best QB in this draft be guaranteed to be THAT much better than say the 4th or 5th QB off the board that you surround with 5 more top 90 picks? And have an actual good overall team?

And you know for 100% sure now that the Bills won't get a good QB just because the Jets traded to #3? What id the #3 pick only gets you the 3rd QB off the board this year and that QB doesn't end up being worth trading the farm for? What if in the long run we end up with just as good (or better) a QB at 12? Is the 2nd or 3rd best QB off the board ALWAYS better than the 3rd/4th/5th? What if we we end up with a Carr/Brees/Wilson etc? Oh, and Sorry but i dont see making the playoffs and not tanking a seaosn season as a bad take... I see it as something I've been waiting 17 years for! And I see it as a good sign that we finally have the right front office and coaching staff in place.

Or maybe they did try to get to #3 and the Colts took the Jets offer instead. Ballard said they were in discussions with other QB needy teams and they decided to take this deal because they felt they'd still get a blue chip prospect at #6.

And the playoff drought would have hit 18 years. Ill take the playoffs!

Yeah I just had a somewhat similar thought -

What if the Jets did all of this - gave up the #6 overall pick PLUS 3 more top 50 picks -for the 3rd best QB in this draft class (Mayfleid/Allen etc)? The only thing they did with this move is guarantee that they get the 3rd QB off the board (with a possibility at the 2nd QB off the board). Is anyone totally convinced that the 3rd best QB in this draft is worth 4 top 50 picks? I sure am not. What if the Bills sold the farm to get to #3, only to be left with both our top 2 QBs off the board at 1 and 2? I am far from convinced that QB #3 in this draft is worth everything it would have taken for us to get to the 3rd overall pick (figure at least 2800 draft points, if not more since we were at 12, not 6 and the Colts still get a blue chip guy at 6). #2 or bust!

So am I. But this stuff is all out all out of our control. Let's wait and see what happens. We could still trade to #2, or if not to #5, 6 etc. to grab a guy like Mayfield or Allen. Or we take Rudolph at 12 or 22. Or White/Lauletta/Falk etc in the 2nd. This is is a very deep looking QB draft class. They will draft a guy in the first 2 rounds (and most likely in the 1st IMO), I am almost positive on that. Who knows, we could end up with one of the best QBs in this draft. Drafting college QBs is such a crap shoot. There is no guarantee that Rosen ends up better than one of the 2nd tier guys (even though I REALLY want Rosen!). I'm just saying that you have to wait and let things play out. Let's see who the best QB is 2-3 years from now before we burn Beane at the stake! From what we've seen so far IMO Beane and McDermott look to be the bes front office staff we've had since Polian. I'm not anywhere near ready to write them off yet even if they don't get their franchise QB this year. I really really hope they do, but it's not the end of the world if not. They WILL take a shot on a QB this year, that I know. There's nothing Beane can do if the Colts chose the Jets offer over the Bills (if that's what happened). And it could actually work work out better for us if we now trade to #2 instead of #3. How much would it have sucked to trad to #3 and then have the Jets or some other team jump up to #2 and leave our 3rd choice at QB after paying a fortune?

How can you possibly say this yet? Beane hasn't even had one freaking draft as the Bills GM! Also, Chris Ballard (Colts GM) said he was in talks with other QB needy teams and decided to take the Jets offer because he felt comfortable that they would still get one of their top rated players at #6. So how do you know Beane didn't make a good offer for that pick and the Colts just chose the Jets offer? You seem to have already written this staff off before their first draft just because they haven't traded up for a QB 6 weeks before the draft even happens.

I don't even know if that's enough to get to #2 at this point when you look at what the Jets gave up to move from #6 to #3... That definitely wouldn't be enough to get to #1 though. The Jets gave up 2800 points on the draft value chart to get to the #3 pick which is valued at 2200 points. They gave up almost 2600 points in picks just this year, plus the 2nd next year. To equal that, It would take both 1sts, both 2nds, our highest 3rd this year plus a 2nd next year to get to #2.

He just scored 4 goals against the Flames! https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/16/kanes-four-goal-game-charges-sharks-to-victory-over-flames/ As of now, it has to be looking pretty good for San Jose to re-sign him IMO. Sure hope they do... I want that 1st rounder! lol

Thanks. Yeah I've heard the talent thing, but Rudolph seems to have done way more with the talent he had compared to EJ.

They very well still could target him at #22, and have one of the top 2 LB's as their target at 12. Beane talked about how they felt there was a much better shot at one of the top players on the board at 12 (and i believe he said specifically not just QBs)

He very well could be. To be honest, I really didn't watch a ton of Rudolph, but from the little I watched and from comparing their college stats (which I know doesn't tell the whole story BTW) I don't fully get the comparison to EJ Manuel. Rudolph's 3rd best college season is better than EJ's best season. And Rudolph's 2 best seasons blow EJs best year out of the water... https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mason-rudolph-1.html https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ej-manuel-1.html can someone explain to me why they think it's just EJ Manuel 2.0? (I am legitimately asking)

I know you did. I was just looking at the extra draft points the Jets gave up just this year alone, which is 340. For us to do that same thing - 340 extra points this year - it would take our two 1's, two 2's and highest 3. Maybe they value a 1 next year higher than all those picks this year? Everyone always says the pick next next year is worth 1 round lower in value though. So I never know exactly how to value them. Which is why I was mainly looking at what the Jets gave up in value this year alone. Colts #3 = 2200 Jets #6 (1600) + #37 (530) + #49 (410) = 2540 + whatever value their #2 next year has Anyway... I am not a GM. So obviously I am just giving my best guess here after looking at the Jets trade. I like your potential trade cost better than mine, so I'll go with yours for now! lol

Nah, it's not high enough IMO. My guess - Darnold goes #1 Rosen goes #3 (or #2 if the Giants trade their pick) Mayfield goes #5 to Broncos (athey seem very high in him) If some other team trades to #2, then it could go Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield 1,2,3. In that scenario Then likely Allen goes #5 to the Broncos.

That's not enough draft value points when looking at what the Jets just paid. Jets gave up 3 picks in the top 47 of this draft to move up 3 spots, plus a 2nd next year. They overpaid by 340 points this year + a (likely to be high) 2nd next year. Both 1sts, both 2nds and (probably our highest) 3rd + a pick next year is the minimum IMO. and I would probably still do that trade anyway! I think getting one of the top 2 QBs this year would be worth it.