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How did they have their contact info if they didn’t get the test done? Did they have to give their contact info just to get in line? My brother in law got tested and he didn’t give all his info until he took the test, but this wasn’t in Florida, though it sound alike they have a similar process: I did read about a bogus rumor going around social media claiming positive test results in Florida without taking the test (not saying your son is a liar or anything). https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-covid-positive-test-hoax-20200713-xk3aueospjef7dffzazn4zm5ky-story.html

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200717/ousted-florida-scientist-rebekah-jones-whistleblower-complaint-takes-aim-at-gov-ron-desantis “Ousted Florida scientist Rebekah Jones’ whistleblower complaint takes aim at Gov. Ron DeSantis“ ?

@Hapless Bills Fan post from the facts thread (this is the only way I know how to quote a post from a different thread). I thought this post deserved some discussion. This is crazy! The CDC should be leading this fight. They are the foremost experts on infectious disease in the world. It’s criminal (IMO) that they’re being forced to sit on the sidelines. Infuriating ? There’s a reason we’re about the only major country yet to get our covid outbreak under control... (graph shared by k9)

Yeah, it’s partly a delay in funerals. But what is the cause of that delay? Texas is still allowing funerals. They’re just limiting the number of people able to attend. From June: https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/funeral-homes-still-adapting-to-covid-19-restrictions/ What is the reason for needing these refrigerated trucks over 4 months into the pandemic hitting their state (1st case in Texas was March 4th)? I think many of these hospitals and funeral homes aren’t really set up to process the number of deaths happening right now. It’s not like Texas hasn’t been dealing with covid deaths for months now. from April: https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/ over 290,000 cases and 3500+ deaths in April. But covid hospitalizations in Texas has increased dramatically in June and July.

Yes, I think many of the hospitals in hard hit areas just aren’t equipped to deal with the number of deaths that these large covid outbreaks can cause in a short amount of time. Like this hospital in Texas: https://www.mysanantonio.com/coronavirus/article/Nowhere-to-put-them-Refrigerated-trucks-on-15406865.php I don’t think many of these funeral homes are equipped to deal with the rapid number of deaths happening either. It’s not really something that happens very often.

You are correct about Hart island in NYC and the bodies being unclaimed. But there were still many more than usual. There were also refrigerated trucks parked in places like Brooklyn and Queens. My ex GF had numerous trucks parked near the hospital she works at at one point. Their local morgues were full and they couldn’t process the bodies fats enough because of the sheer amount of deaths that were happening at the time. Her hospital (a large NYC hospital) also wasn’t equipped to deal with the amount of deaths they were seeing in a given day/week. They didn’t have the space for the bodies either. Can you show me any examples of hospitals needing refrigerated trucks during flu seasons? I am unaware of this being required during flu seasons (especially at many different hospitals in numerous different states). I couldn’t find anything with a google search where hospitals needed refrigerated trucks to store bodies (outside of for covid). But maybe I missed it. The only thing I saw was an article from 2009 that mentioned it was brought up as a possibility if swine flu deaths spiked.

Yeah I would think delayed funerals could be part of it. Also, Flu season deaths are measured over a 9(ish) month period iirc. (Sept. or October to April or May). So I’m guessing that these covid deaths are happening much more rapidly over a shorter period of time compared to the average flu (that’s what happened in NY anyway). As far as schools closing, this virus isn’t just an average flu or flu season (that hasn’t even started yet!) but I think this topic has already been covered to death between this thread and the facts thread. If you still think this pandemic should be handled like it is just an average flu after everything we’ve witnessed, I’m certainly not going to change your mind by typing a few sentences or providing a few links.

found with a 3 second google search: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-casualties/pandemic-hit-arizona-texas-counties-order-coolers-refrigerated-trucks-for-bodies-idUSKCN24H3HK https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-arizona-coronavirus-deaths-refrigerated-trucks-morgues/ https://abc13.com/coronavirus-texas-refrigerator-trucks-on-the-way-to-counties-news-cases/6316452/ https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/07/14/texas-is-among-several-us-states-requesting-refrigerated-trucks-as-morgues-reach-capacity/

maybe I’m just missing it, but I’ve read 3 of 5 links so far and I don’t see where any of them are really say that experts said it was safe to protest. I see lots of stuff about how the protests didn’t spread covid, but nothing about experts saying it’s safe. - The LA times article says this: He goes on to say (in the paper) that more people staying home may have offset the increase in cases that may have been caused by the protests. - The NPR article reinforces my point - indoor activities (like parties and bars) are spreading covid. “Parties — Not Protests — Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus“ - The Seattle times article comes the closest I guess, but still doesn’t really say it’s safe to protest. They’re examining the data and saying that outdoor activities seem to be safer. Seems like they’re just drawing conclusions from the data vs. saying it’s safe to protest. The article also goes on to say this: edit - reading the healthline article now. That one is saying that due to protests being outdoors with wind circulating and the UV from the sun and people wearing masks (etc) it made it safer than indoor activity like bars, etc. So the article seems to be saying the opposite of what you’re saying (that if it’s ok to protest, it’s ok for bars and restaurants to be open). ?‍♂️ edit again: and here’s the last article: “Black Lives Matter protests haven't led to COVID-19 spikes. It may be due to people staying home.” and this: (btw, sorry for the edits. I accidentally posted this before I had finished typing my response).

Bars (and some restaurants, though not nearly as many as bars) have been proven over and over again to be large spreaders of covid. https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-makes-bars-and-restaurants-potential-covid-19-hot-spots-11593768600 “What Makes Bars and Restaurants Potential Covid-19 Hot Spots? Enclosed spaces with clusters of people sharing food, talking loudly and drinking alcohol raise transmission risks“ (common sense...) https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/07/11/184-coronavirus-covid-19-cases-now-linked-to-outbreak-at-east-lansing-bar/ “185 coronavirus (COVID-19) cases now linked to outbreak at East Lansing bar” https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/27/state-health-officials-say-4-minnesota-bars-linked-to-recent-outbreaks-of-covid-19/ “State Health Officials Say 4 Minnesota Bars Linked To Recent Outbreaks Of COVID-19” https://www.twincities.com/2020/06/29/with-hundreds-tied-to-coronavirus-outbreaks-from-bars-walz-threatens-harsher-actions/ “With hundreds of COVID-19 cases tied to bars, Walz threatens stricter actions“ https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/covid-19-outbreak-linked-to-another-bar-this-one-in-st-cloud “COVID-19 outbreak linked to another bar, this one in St. Cloud“ https://www.mankatofreepress.com/news/local_news/rounders-507-bars-in-mankato-linked-to-covid-19-outbreaks/article_1de9ce8a-b7e7-11ea-80aa-17d1f1f000c2.html “Rounders, 507 bars in Mankato linked to COVID-19 outbreaks” https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/jul/15/coronavirus-san-diego-live-updates-covid-19/ “More than 75% of the community outbreaks have been traced to restaurants and bars https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/coronavirus/article_5ccd9f98-c131-11ea-896e-2b83804f0cc6.html “Where are the biggest coronavirus outbreaks in Louisiana? Food processing plants, bars top the list” I don’t think anyone ever said that rioting was ok. As far as the protests, obviously they raise the risk of spreading COVID19. It’s not like health officials were saying “it’s not safe to dine out but it’s perfectly safe to protest!”. Dr. Fauci said that He was worried the protests could spread covid. https://abcnews.go.com/US/dr-fauci-voices-concerns-coronavirus-spreading-amid-nationwide/story?id=71171103 “Dr. Fauci voices concerns about coronavirus spreading amid nationwide protests” At least they were outdoors and most people were in masks (in every photo + video I saw, anyway). But of course they raise the risk of spreading covid. Large groups packed close together during a pandemic is a risk, even with masks (though the masks help limit the risk).

If you read the article in the OP it explains that new era is hurting financially and this has been in the works for over a year. It had absolutely nothing to do with Poloncarz. New Era couldn’t afford the royalties.

This was New Era’s decision, not the Pegulas.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/507321-white-house-tells-hospitals-to-bypass-cdc-on-covid-data-reporting “White House tells hospitals to bypass CDC on COVID-19 data reporting (starting Wednesday)“ Thursday’s headline: “COVID19 magically disappears. No new cases reported in the U.S. today!” ? (kidding, of course)

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@Hapless Bills Fan, you can remove this post if you want. I wasn’t sure if I should post it but felt it was important enough to post. I have never seen ex-CDC Directors step forward like this before. I think everyone should read their message.

curious of your take on this study, hap. https://academic.oup.com/ehjcimaging/article/doi/10.1093/ehjci/jeaa178/5859292?searchresult=1 ‘Global evaluation of echocardiography in patients with COVID-19‘

1st episode:

It’s weird seeing Paul Hamilton writing for WGRZ.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-players-return-to-olympics-in-2022-2026/c-317375420?mi_u=17984562 NHL, players agree to return to Olympics in 2022, 2026 nice!

I think most of us are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html