Figster
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Exactly. Confidence is huge but it needs to be based on success in the NFL. All of these guys have huge confidence in themselves coming out of college. But it's a completely different game. Some guys who are thrown to the wolves right away never really regain their confidence. Then again, Steve Young was #1 overall, got killed, was horrible for a couple years, went to SF, got with Bill Walsh, and became one of the best ever. So I do believe eventually Aaron Rodgers would have became the Aaron Rodgers we know after several years. But I truly think he would have sucked as bad as Losman in those first few years with no experience, terrible coaching and few weapons and woefully bad OL.
I know T T has a long way to go before deserving to be spoken in the same breath as Steve Young, but I do see some similarites in size, skill set and my hopes are the right system and coaching will help benefit him in the same way.
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Obviously Aaron Rodgers is endlessly and inarguably way, way better than JP Losman. But, it would be interesting to see how their careers would have been different if they were switched. IMO Aaron Rodgers would have got killed on the Bills as a rookie starter and crappy coaching and blocking. Eventually, like, say, Steve Young, who I think is one of the very best QBs of all time, Rodgers would excel. And Losman would likely fail. But he would have been a lot better sitting for three years and getting great coaching. Brady would have likely sucked on the Bills in those first few years of his.
You really don't know what getting twisted up like a pretzel a few times might do to a young signal callers confidence.( TE )
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Should Whaley be fired immediately?
Good under the coaching staff that feels he's a good fit for the team and system you mean?
Even if Mahomes is successful under Reid it doesn't mean the same success happens with other organizations.
Failure under one organization/systems as a young QB prospect does not always mean an end of a QB's NFL career.
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on the clock
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This is exactly how I feel, I doubt White will be a better player than Gilmore and I highly doubt Jones will be better than Woods. This is the definition of spinning your wheels.
McDermott has a different strategy, needs a different kind of player in some instances. So while the players themselves may not seem equal in skill set. Coaches putting players in the right position/system to succeed can make the difference IMO.
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Not even just that, if you trade out of the first you lose the 5th year option.
good point
We don't use the 5th year option on guys who can play anyway.
lol, touche
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Agreed. Having draft capital is potentially important for next year. Plus this year the difference between pick 10 and 27 isn't as bad as years prior.
Here's an interesting link that shows how trades can be evaluated from a basic level:
http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=Buf
ty for the link Moose
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McDermott- "People were calling us at 27 to take us out of the 1st round. I'm not a big fan of that."
I agree,
White is the kind of young player/ leader you want to build the team around.
Drop out of the 1st and its less likely a player of his value to fill a team need is still available.
Deep draft, I get that, but if you see a guy available that really goes well in the grand scheme of things to come, you get him.
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The way I look at it, while from a points standpoint Buffao's 1st gained in the trade gets reduced to a 2nd, next year If and when a trade occurs Buffalo's extra 1st becomes a bargaining chip most teams can't compete with without Buffalo being forced to give up anything the following year/draft.
If next years draft is more lucrative / better draft class per team needs the trade becomes even more beneficial in my humble opinion.
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Infallible? Now not only are you making a scarecrow argument, you're inventing new nonsense words.
The numbers on the chart don't matter. Real NFL GMs use the chart to determine relative value.
The actual value is irrelevant. The Delta in the value from one pick to the next is important.
The reason why actual NFL GMs still use the chart today is so that you and the other GM can agree on the relative value of the draft picks.
It is not "infallible" it is a guideline.
In some cases, for example when there are multiple suitors for a pick the trade may be closer to the guideline like with the Bears.
In other cases when a GM is on the Hot Seat and the new HC is involved with a trade with their mentor they may decrease the relative value of the draft picks in order to get a deal done and look like they're doing something.
The Bills did not get enough in return on allowing the Chiefs to move up 17 spots as compared to the history of actual NFL trades made by actual NFL GMs.
thanks for this post
Very much appreciated
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Houston...
...we have a problem...
...no O J Howard...
...another CB...
...no oxygen...
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Our Bills have up 171 basis draft points to do the deal so in fact using the traditional point system KC came out ahead
However 171 is not alot of points but it is another draft pick we did not get
Still I like the idea of the trade down
Much better than giving away draft picks for players that don't achieve the value of the picks
So I'll take all the extra picks
Just wish we had even more in 2018
By having not signed marginal FA's
jc
thanks,
If next years draft turns out to be a better draft class to meet needs say for instance at the QB position,
then the points lost could become a moot point, eh wilcoam
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What team drafting ahead of us is trading out of picking a top QB in 2018?
Maybe Buffalo will be pursuing the best Defensive player in the draft?
Or maybe the Browns found a QB they like, but still end up picking 1st overall?
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What exactly did you say?
I think he's telling us we grow CB's well
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You know you're a homer when you say "nice pick" after every pick
You have to figure in a really sweet trade on this pick.
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I liked the trade and the pick makes sense IMO.
We need a CB, extra pick now in the 3rd, an extra 1st in next years draft (which could open up the door to something special).
crazy 1st round...
...enjoyed it...
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McDermott needs solid play out of the CB position,
I like this pick,
nice trade
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Foster would be nice
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O J Howard...O J Howard...O J Howard...
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Hahah. I knew before I clicked on the forum that this was from ESPN. Unreal. Can we just enjoy sports without having to make it more than that.
I almost made the mistake of commenting before reading.
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It's not like I think it warrants a congressional investigation, but I do believe there is some validity to the article. You seemed to understand the topic. Some other people seemed slightly confused about what the article was trying to say. I'm not real concerned about, I just think that there is some truth to the article.
absolutely, in my humble opinion.
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That !@#$er was long.
I have no doubt that's true. And the point about people inside the sport ridiculing people who come in from outside the sport is well-taken. The people that played and/or coached the sport are probably highly susceptible to basing their "predictions" for players based on what they've seen in the past.
But calling it a racial "divide" is sanctimonious at best. Sports, especially the NFL, is big money, bigger than it ever has been in history. The idea that scouts and GMs are consciously trying to keep a divide going is ridiculous.
I don't think scouts or GM's are trying to create a racial divide when it comes to race as it relates to skill set.
It is what it is...
Chad Kelly: drafted by Denver
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Having a QB that knows the system and his place on the team could really benefit Tyrod Taylor in my humble opinion.