Figster
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Dude, it's about how incredibly rare it is to find a QB who's even fairly consistently "starter level" in the NFL, not about anyone great.
This isn't about propping Taylor up. It's saying that if he doesn't improve, Peterman is almost certainly NOT our long term answer. And it seems clear that's not McDermott's plan either considering the acquisition of a 2nd 1st round pick for next year so we have some ammunition to move up in the draft for our guy if need be.
We should all be happy and we'll be lucky if Peterman becomes a good long term backup.
I'm not happy or feeling lucky in any way finding a career backup and I seriously doubt this is Buffalo's intentions.
Is it a long shot, sure it is , put lets not pretend any of us know Petermans future in the NFL.
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Yeah, from what I've heard and seen from him, I think and hope he can be our long term backup.
People are talking about him as though he'll usurp Taylor... some are saying before the end of the year... a select few are saying Peterman will be the starter week 1. With those people, I've set forth an open bet that, barring an injury to Taylor, he'll be our starter week 1. I'm giving 3 to 1 odds. Surprisingly, I had a taker already who put down $100.
Open for others, too.
But people who have this position are just unrealistic and living in lala land. I'm not saying that to personally attack them. I'm saying this because it's just true. If Peterman is the week 1 starter and Taylor is still healthy and on the roster, it would be shocking, regardless of your feelings about Taylor as a QB.
Myself personally, the Buffalo Bills brought Yates in because he knows the O and would provide a decent backup, then we have C Jones that could play backup. So that leads me to believe someone within the organization thinks Peterman might be more then the future backup in my humble opinion. This is a position that can be filled through FA and get more experience.
Note: Peterman has an advantage over Taylor between the ears scoring near the top of his draft class in the all important wonderlic (kidding, kinda)
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So I kind of left this out of the conversation because I know there are a handful of posters who are just going to yuck this up, but one of the other significant things Fahey discusses is what Taylor does for the running game. One of his bullet points in the shorthand skill set is how Taylor "diversifies the run game with designed run plays and options."
A short excerpt:
The defenders fear Taylor holding the ball so the backside defenders can't crack down to close off the space the running back gets. The Bills had the top-ranked running game by a large margin last year according to FootballOutsiders' DVOA rankings, which measure success rate on a play-by-play basis and adjust for the quality of the opposition. Taylor was as much a part of that success as McCoy or the offensive line. He diversifies the running game in such a way that a more typical NFL quarterback wouldn't.
Buffalo led the league with a 5.3 per rush attempt wich is an indication the RB's despite being a run 1st O had plenty of room to roam.
I find this to be true, Taylor deserves credit for calling, participating in and opening up space for the run game in my humble opinion.
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if it was such a great deal, why aren't more players signing one year deals instead of long term deals?
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Go eat a cough drop,
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Rex season 2
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I would go kelly all the way. He is a lot tougher.
Looks like we're in a very small minority mead107
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Why would you trade your starting QB?
We haven't had a good one in so long what the heck right?
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Lol, ok, cause I didn't cut and paste your quote from your #145 reply in this thread or nothing.
Whatever!
Look at it this way, these are not accurate numbers, but lets say by design Taylor made 200 pass attempts throughout the season and every other QB in the league threw by design 300 pass attempts or more. Do you see why it would be useless to use low totals as a knock againt Taylor in a QB evaluation when the OC/HC made the determination they were going to run the football more then any other team in the league.
High yardage totals with a high INT totals is also another thing fans need to take into consideration. How many yards, change of field position and points did the INT cost you? if you calculated it all up you might find out 200 yards passing and zero turnovers is better then 300yards passing and 1 or 2 INT's.
One stat or yardage total doesn't give you enough information...
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I'm not sure that I think McD is good or bad or whatever. I guess I hope for the best.
To me, it seems that a franchise that is willing to clear everyone else out and hand the reigns to a first time head coach lacks a compass. By way of example, the Steelers didn't hire Mike Tomlin and hand him the keys to the franchise. Instead, they have a sense of what they are as an organization and they hire personnel to fit their formula. It smacks as desperation that we are willing to put so much responsibility at the feet of an unproven coach. What does that say about the Bills?
I'm only speculating, but it appears McDermott may not have used much help from the Bills scouting department or GM in determing how the 2017 draft was carried out. If the draft itself turns out to be one of the better Bills drafts in recent history,
what does that tell you?
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I'm speechless...
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why would I want to trade a QB that has proven he can play starting QB in the NFL for a rookie?
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Happy B-Day jw,
Have a great day buddy.
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I thought HC McD taking time out to visit with the leaders of the team that went to 4 straight superbowls showed just how far McD is willing to go in search of a Champion.
The attention to detail, the demand for respect, the high priority in obtaining players of good character, all very Marv Levy like in my humble opinion.
but is McD as good in the X's and O's department is the question...
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Wow... you really go to some extreme efforts to completely dismiss Fahey's findings.
Passive aggressive? I thought I was pretty direct, actually.
To get the most out of raw data its important to understand how misleading some of it can be in my humble opinion transplantbillsfan.
Rochester brought up an important point I think in evaluating QB's and I believe it goes hand in hand with how well a signal caller is seeing the football field. Scoring how well a QB can determine the most lucrative place to go with the football would show you what QB is playing at the highest level IMO. Eye test tells me Matt Ryan is probably near or on the top of the list (2016) when it comes to attacking the football field with big play capabilities IMO. (Julio Jones might have something to do with it.)
Myself personally, I've grown to trust Rochesterfans opinions/post because of how much thought and research goes into them.
I'm not saying he's always correct...
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To me it is the same light - PFF does a great job at looking at film and trying to create a scorecard from that data they glean. The issue is it is very difficult to know if what conclusions they draw actually mean anything.
Your example of John Miller (whether exact or not) is correct - they would look at plays and decide if it is successful and give a grade, but never really know if that was the correct block or not.
Fahey catalogs throws and decides things like accuracy and interceptable percentage and does a nice job of putting the numbers together, but what does it really mean. Is anyone surprised that TT was the 3rd best in percentage of passes that were not interceptable - I actually would of thought it was even better. TT is very careful with the ball and although he has few turnovers - he also takes very few chances with throws and therefore his numbers should be good.
The same issue occurs with Accuracy % - it is not incorrect (it is somewhat subjective, but not incorrect) when you look at the values, but what is missed is what throws and where those throws are - so I would not complain that TT is inaccurate in the throws he makes, but I do get disgusted with the continual choice of throws. It also impacts things like YAC because of where and who he throws the ball to. Typically PFF does not try to quantitate this because they do not know the play call - so you have to watch the plays and then listen to what people in the know - like the former coach, both former OC's, and the former GM say and that was they were looking for more from the passing game and were looking specifically for more throws in the middle of the field and more anticipatory throws - those things kept coming up in interviews.
The comments from the coach, OC, and GM tell me that although the passing game was simplistic and they left throws in that they knew TT was comfortable with - they also had other options that he did not take advantage enough and that is where I think the analysis falls flat. They can tell me he completes a lot of throws and does not throw balls that can be picked off, but they can not tell me (nor should they) if there were other or better options and how that compares to other QBs. Therefore we are stuck with subjective data that does not provide through information and everyone's use eye test.
You guys are making it very interesting, thanks
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good discussion. In other words there's a lot that we don't know and what we don't know keeps some of this data from being reliable.
I go back to correlation. Does this data correlate with good quarterbacking? If it doesnt, then the data may be useful to coaches but not so much in evaluating the value of a qb.
Some data can be misleading , especially when totals come into play. Buffalo having the lowest YAC total in the league for example is a product of the lowest overall pass attempts in the league. Even averages can be misleading because 2 or 3 more big YAC plays is all it takes to put the Bills in closer proximity to league average. So naturally throwing the ball more would in all likelihood put the Bills higher up in most statistical categories IMO.
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Like death and taxes, a QB controversy in Buffalo is a given.
We could have a one armed QB as a backup and people would still be calling for him to start.
Peterman was the most pro ready QB in the draft joining a team installing a new system.
I'm just saying...
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My problem is if 2017 goes South quickly its not an indication that HC Sean knows what he is doing
Either as HC or as one with say in team moves
Folks like me will point out that his first two trades in the draft that we didn't get full value back
Or that he gave away too many picks moving up twice
And that he gave away two potential 2018 draft picks to sign very marginal FA's
And that his remake of our secondary didn't work
Etc Etc...
It won;t be a confidence builder for us fans
Then again if he gets out and win 10 games no one will remember all the above...
jc
Its the 2nd season fans should be more concerned with in my humble opinion jc
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Same old tired useless excuse.
Didn't matter one bit who suited up and lined up at WR for the Bills as they were open a lot.
So even though they were open but because they were "arena league players" is the reason Tyrod didn't throw them the ball. Whatever, lame excuse!
Big Taylor fan, but I'm not making excuses for him.
Tyrod Taylor has to start seeing more of the football field/ open receivers.
Or Peterman is going to take his job...
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Whether one has advanced degrees in math and science shouldn't preclude the idea that individuals don't tighten up or lose confidence after a succession of bad plays. Rather than use mathematics or hard science as a proof of momentum's existence, the psychology of pressure and (waxing or waning confidence) could explain a lot. As could better coaching and more experience in the big game.
Something caused the succession of bad plays. Lacking endurance, getting out coached, getting out played by superior players, maybe a combination. You brought up confidence, wouldn't it be more descriptive to say one team is gaining or losing confidence then momentum?
Momentum change is a lazy way to describe what really happened in my humble opinion Lothar.
with all due respect...
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What are your thoughts on: confidence, the effect crowds can have on players' mentalities, and how mood alters performance,
If you don't believe in momentum in sports then you're saying you don't believe that any of the above exist.
Did the Falcons lose momentum in the second half of the Superbowl, or did superior coaching make the better adjustments?
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Feels to me like a mix between Trevor Simein, Jay Fiedler and Sam Bradford
Nice
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McD (pronounced Mick-Dee as in Mc-defense)
Coach McD does sound catchy and it would not surprise me If this becomes the players favorite nickname
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Yeah he was under attack the entire game. Welcome to the Bills.
Couple throws looked like he had some zip on the ball , but its hard to use good mechanics throwing off your back foot or on the run 90% of the time.
kids a gamer, looks like he sees the field well under pressure, I like him/chances
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He made some great throws and plays. It was his best game ever! He also made a dozen terrible throws and several horrible plays. Some of his incompletions were great throws and some of his completions were bad throws. He made a lot of bad throws and a lot of nifty ones. Watching it, I would never say this screams NFL QB though. At all. Watch it. It's every pass play, including ones he ran on, some of which were very nice.
Is it just me or is Peterman playing with zero pass protection in this game?
RD 5, Pick 171: Nathan Peterman (QB) - Pitt
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by Figster
Do you think Buffalo is going to waste draft picks searching for a backup QB when the Bills don't have a long term starter?
This might be a backup plan, I'll give it that...