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8 hours ago, SoTier said:
Will you feel the same if Worthy turns out to be a speedster who can't catch? Then that trade up was a big miss by KC. As MJS has noted, KC hasn't done well developing WRs, and Worthy is going to need considerable development to be successful.
I like AD Mitchell because he seems to be the kind of WR that the Bills want as a WR1 -- speedy but with good size. I would not be upset at Dejean at #33 either. The Bills also have #60 plus KC's late 3rd rounder.
Said every GM defending a reach for a guy with speed but not other traits important for his position ... like Aaron Maybin.
Worthy is a big gamble, much more appropriate to a 2nd or 3rd rounder than even a late first rounder, and KC hasn't shown the ability to develop WRs.
Hasn't shown an ability to develop WR's yet wins championships with them. OK
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13 minutes ago, MJS said:
Worthy isn't Tyreek Hill. Worthy is 20 pounds lighter than Hill. Hill is also a top 2 or 3 WR in the entire NFL, who has way more to his game than just speed. Expecting Worthy to come in and be what Hill is is a little ridiculous. Worthy has just as much of a chance of being John Ross.
Worthy might be a good player. I don't know. But if he is, it isn't because Andy Reid is a WR guru, which is what some people are seeming to claim. The Chiefs have struggled to develop receivers for years now.
This is true
Worthy is a gamble, and perhaps one better made by the Chiefs. I also don't like the size. Hopefully Cheetah he is not
I hope he flops
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9 minutes ago, MJS said:
Again, what evidence do you have of Reid developing great receivers? They've struggled at the position for awhile and overcome that with a strong running game, good defense, and Pat Mahomes being Pat Mahomes.
Worthy could be good, but I don't think it's because Andy Reid has some great track record of developing receivers. Reid has great schemes and play calls, though. That is where he excels.
Speed kills and scheming to a players skill set is key IMO. Reid knows what to do with speed and he also knows Tyrek Hill as good or better then anyone,
No?
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6 minutes ago, just1hugheser said:
Almost exactly what I said and was thinking, just don't be idiot incarnate kadarius toney and he'll look like a stud the way the offense and mahomes will make him look especially since he has no pressure with kelce and rice clearly ahead of him and pacheco their battering ram and they still have that defense with one of the best d coordinators to ever do it(he will make hof as a defense coordinator).
Run yourself open kid and its on like a Mo Fo
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6 minutes ago, MJS said:
Hoping for McConkey now. Heck, even AD Mitchell, who I have not been excited about, but he does have upside and measurables. If the Bills can keep him motivated and get consistent effort from him, he could be very good. And he has great hands.
The Chiefs have struggled for years picking receivers. It's safe to say they kind of suck at it. Even when they had Tyreek Hill (who they lucked into in the 5th round), they struggled to find a receiver opposite him.
So, why are we putting stock in their receiver picks?
You can't teach the kind of speed Worthy has, but you can turn him into a better route runner and thats exactly what Andy Reid will do with Worthy IMO, unfortunately...
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52 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:
Well, they met with him for a top 30 visit. Safe to say they feel like he ain't Tyreek Hill.
Yet Andy Reid and company liked Worthy good enough to trade up with Buffalo and get him. Beef Worthy up just a little and he's a Hill clone. So go figure.
Myself personally, Allens lower trajectory laser shots beg for bigger targets like 2nd year TE Kincaid gearing up for a breakout 2024 season.
We hope...
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2 hours ago, MarkKelso'sHelmet said:
Fair enough.
I'm mad at him because he could have been part of the solution, but instead made himself part of the problem. Taking himself out of games? Undermining his QB's confidence? Allowing his brother to bash Allen on Twitter and not sticking up for Allen? Allen is 27 and needs a good support system around him. Diggs was the worst kind of personality.
Dorsey and Diggs majorly screwed up the O in 2023 and it's a damn shame.
How did KC fare after they got rid of Tyreek Hill? (Immensely talented but also a head case).
Diggs is a top 20 receiver who benefited from having a top 3 QB. I don't wish him well.
I'm glad its over with Diggs. I do however wish him well because the guy made to many good plays in a Bills uni for me to just forget about everything him and Josh accomplished together. Diggs wants to win a championship and with Stroud he just might.
It would not surprise me IF both Allen and Diggs are more sad about how a good friendship ended then anything.
Daboll never seemed to have any problem getting good production out of Diggs and Dorsey was fired for a reason IMO. Luckily Beane made sure Andy Reid didn't get ahold of Diggs. I'm pretty sure Reid would find many, many ways to feed Diggs the football.
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1 minute ago, Beck Water said:
With all respect, that's not enough. 4 guys getting 900 yds is 3,600 yds. That would represent a 700 yd dip in what was already a second "down year" for Allen with only 4300 yds passing.
It would also be asking a 7 year vet to exceed his previous career year (possible), asking Shakir AND Kincaid to jump 50% in their production, AND asking a 3rd guy to step into the mix and push 1000 yds.
I'm expecting even more of a turn towards the run game.
Both Brady and McD like to run the football IMO.
The same can be said about Josh...
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6 minutes ago, SCBills said:
Poyer - 99% of us LOVEGabe - Fans will give him a standing ovation next time we see him
Morse - (See above for Gabe)
Tre - People in the stands will probably cry next time they see him in person if the team recognizes him, which they will
Singletary - Fans were all rooting for this year
Edmunds and Diggs are the two that we’ve dumped on.. One because he just wasn’t worth his contract projection, but no real ill will from fans.
The fan reaction to Diggs is different for a reason .. and plenty are still wishing him well.
And yea.. we all hope Houston somehow becomes a train wreck, why on earth would we not?
Agree,
The grass was always greener on the other side for Diggs,
go graze in Texas with your bro...
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Just now, TheBrownBear said:
Shakir, more than any Bills receiver in the last 24 years, reminds me of my childhood favorite, Andre Reed. I think he's going to emerge as Josh's favorite WR target and have a huge year. Assuming we find a solid X receiver via the draft who can grow into a contributor over the course of the season, I think our receiving room could actually go from a perceived weakness to a strength.
I have also made the same comparison.
Short arms is Shakirs biggest weakness, and probably biggest difference from Andre Reed.
Something OP pointed out in another thread If I remember correctly...
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6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
I am very confident that Curtis Samuel is a #2.
1,000 WR under Joe Brady in Carolina...
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Some bad chemistry going on, I get it. On the other hand, one of the best QB's the league has ever seen doesn't have a WR1, or WR2.
I sure hope the Beane head has something up his sleave besides switching to a run 1st O...
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3 hours ago, SoTier said:
That's nonsense. QBs play for teams, the make-up of which is controlled by other people. Moreover, winning a Super Bowl, especially when a team gets into the playoffs, is often dependent upon things totally out of the QB's control like injuries, penalties, defensive plays, special team plays, and good or bad luck.
You named 20 1st pick overall QB's over a 20 year span. Arguably best signal callers in their draft class. (not always) The only two to win a Championship had nothing to with their original draft designation.
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1 hour ago, SoTier said:
These are the QBs drafted #1 overall since 2000 -
2001 - Michael Vick
2002 - David Carr
2003 - Carson Palmer
2004 - Eli Manning
2005 - Alex Smith
2007 - JaMarcus Russell
2009 - Matthew Stafford
2010 - Sam Bradford
2011 - Cam Newton
2012 - Andrew Luck
2015 - Jameis Winston
2016 - Jared Goff
2018 - Baker Mayfield
2019 - Kyler Murray
2020 - Joe Burrow
2021 - Trevor Lawrence
IMO, I see 1 outright bust -- JaMarcus Russell -- and maybe 1 QB who failed primarily because of the team he was drafted by -- David Carr. Most of the QBs were at least fairly successful NFL QBs even though they generally played for poor teams at the beginning of their careers.
I think your argument for changing the way the NFL draft works is not supported by the facts, so I would "no" to your plan to change the NFL draft.
You expect 1st overall draft picks to become Champions when teams draft them. 10% of this list did. Eli bucked the draft system and Stafford waited for years until traded to the right team.
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9 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
The draft has to exist in a manner where bad teams get their picks slotted up higher. Is it rewarding a bad season? In a sense yes but I look at it as providing a team that is down on its luck a better chance to improve. Yes it can "reward" mismanaged teams but mismanaged teams bungle top picks so it isn't like a top pick guarantees you anything. I don't think "tanking" is an issue in the NFL as it is the NBA where a singular player can change around a teams fortunes drastically so an organization could conceivably "tank" a season to get a generational prospect.
In the NFL most teams go into a season trying to be competitive. Even teams with new coaches and GM's who are trying to rebuild still end up attempting to build a decent roster even if they eat a lot of dead cap, trade down for future selections or trade away some of their better players for draft picks. So I don't see there being any issue with the way the draft is currently set up.
thanks for the good input
Does league parody If this is what we are trying to accomplish equate to good entertainment.
Its the collegiate star athlete that suffers the most with our current drafting procedure in my humble opinion.
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51 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Why did the Pats suddenly become a bottom feeder team with the same GM/HC?
Why did the Bucs win the Super Bowl with Tom Brady immediately?
Why did the Bills go from a team that needed help on the last game of the season to the make the playoffs as a wildcard to cruising to division titles every year?
it’s a mystery @Alphadawg7
Well I can tell you it wasn't from picking our 1st round QB in our designated picking order based on the previous season. We have Bills GM Brandon Beane to thank, not our current draft designation procedure. Pats are in transition. Did their designated draft pick ( Mac Jones ) fix the problem? No, it did not, and Brady is the GOAT
Last season a cruise? Ummm, how about no, and why you might ask. Coaching change ( OC )
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30 minutes ago, Fan in San Diego said:
How about giving the bottom 5 teams a $10,000,000 fine for sucking. That counts against the cap.
Interesting idea to combat tanking.
Also sends a clear message to the owners - Hey guys and gals, do something different because what you are doing isn't working. Fix it, or sell to someone who can.
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4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Yeah all good for sure
But you’re not addressing any of my questions either so none of what you’re saying is making any sense to me.
All good, just this seems like a quick way to eliminate the quick turn around opportunities for teams at the bottom
Thanks man
The biggest problem I have with how the draft order is determined is we are sending the best players to poorly managed and coached teams. Its a recipe for failure IMO.
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26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Hahahaha come on dude. McD and Beane are NOT on the field actually playing. So stop, without drafting Josh Allen early this team is nothing compared to what its has been.
Where would the Texans be right now if they didn't get draft Stroud and someone like Dallas did instead because of your crazy reverse way of doing the draft order? Probably still a 1-3 win team instead of a playoff team last year.
Lol...sorry man, no disrespect, but not only is this idea just bad, your defense of it is making even less sense.
Making yourself look a little out of touch with the thread discussion.
No worries, its all good...
Do you know what the Texans and Bills had in common for the quick turn around? (Aside from great play at the QB position.)
New blood/ new GM in 2021, new HC last season
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10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
yeah...the draft. You said it had zero to do with the draft...and now you are saying it was the draft.
You are making no sense man, no offense. Again, your proposal is just not a good one nor will it ever switch to that. The NFL is actually one of the best sports leagues right now of where teams can make significant turnarounds in short windows because of how FA and the Draft work. I mean just look at the Texans (and a bunch of other teams too) as an example.
I'm saying it was our GM and HC that changed everything not WHERE we picked in the draft. Same can be said for the Lions.
Comprende?
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Just now, Alphadawg7 said:
Zero to do with the draft? Are you serious? Ever heard of Josh Allen? You don't think this team is a perennial playoff team now and SB contender because it drafted Josh Allen early? I mean you can't be serious.
How many games do we win last year if Tyrod was our QB? How about in 2022? Does Tyrod put up 9 TD's in 2 games in the playoffs in 2021? I mean Josh Allen has the most TD's in NFL history in his first 6 seasons.
We win because of Josh. We drafted Josh.
The McBeane regime drafted Josh...
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5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Terrible idea. Bad teams would get stuck as being bad teams for a long time. Those teams would lose fans and ticket sales and become what the Clippers were in the NBA for decades when Sterling owned the team.
Bad teams already are staying bad teams for a long time. The Bills didn't make the playoffs for over two decades. So unless you want to call an 8 - 8 season good nothing changed until the Bills hired the McBeane regime. It had ZERO to do with the draft.
ZERO...
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43 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Situations matter. To an extent.
I’m not arguing otherwise.
what im arguing is that great situations can make a B+ QB into an A- or an A.
Bad situation can also make an A QB into a B plus.
Situations will never make a C or D QB into an A QB. Ever. Ever ever.
Mark Sanchez could’ve sat for a year on the 2017 Chiefs with Hill and Kelce and Reid and never, ever, ever, been great.
This is just nonsense. Jared Goff isn’t a Hall of Famer. we all agree he survived, yeah?
Is Stroud a Hall of Famer? What about Herbert? Or Lawrence?
All of them survived getting thrown into the fire.
Luckily for Herbert and Lawrence they can run well and throw while running.
39 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:That was a bit before my time but that must have been awesome, what was the draft like then?
I was only 8 at the time and wasn't watching the NFL draft yet. Yes, watching O J play was awesome.
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14 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:
The idea of the draft is to even the playing field otherwise why are fans even bothering coming to your stadium if you now can't even get the best players in the draft when you lose? For 17 years the best part of our days as Bills fans was the hope for a savior prospect in the draft to get us out of the funk that was the continued loop we were in what seemed like forever. The draft is the 1 thing to me that's not broken and shouldn't be touched in any way imo.
Since the two busiest posters in this thread can't even spell parity correct I commend you with this logical post.
I fell in love with the Buffalo Bills at a very early age because of a charismatic and fun to watch RB named O J Simpson.
Drafted 1st overall in the NFL Draft...
NFL gives players the option to wear guardian shells during games.
in The Stadium Wall
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Its been a long time coming...