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    Is Vita Vea an NT?

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    Posted · Edited by Buffalo716

    26 minutes ago, K-9 said:

    What aspect is changing? Are you suggesting there is a movement towards shorter centers and guards in the league? Interior OLmen average 6’4”. 

     

    I won’t belabor the point so I’ll just say that height is not a concern for a nose tackle if his technique is sound. And if it isn’t, it won’t matter if he’s shorter, anyway. 

     

    Well first I never said he couldn't play nose tackle. Just that he is a bit taller than your average Nose and is probably a better 1 tech.

     

    technique is exactly what's changing.15-20 years ago Nose Tackles could rely on their size and strength. You couldn't move mount washington regardless if you got under him.

     

    now offensive lineman , especially centers , have very good technique. The average center is around 6'3. 

     

    A 6'3 center with good technique should win alot of the matchups vs a 6'5 vea at the nose. It's not a knock on vea 

     

    if he's a 0 tech Nose, he will have to fight hard every play for leverage... the center is fighting for leverage as well... 

     

    Damon Harrison is the perfect example of a modern 0 Tech when he was with the jets. 

     

    6'3 340...

     

    not that Vea cannot do it... he just has to play very technique sound football every play. He's a bit tall.

     

    Alan Branch is 6'6 350 and has played Strong side end, 1 tech, 3 tech and the nose

     

    he is very similar to Vea to me

    Is Vita Vea an NT?

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    8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

    Our two best NTs of all time (with apologies to Freddy), were Ted Washington and Pat Williams, 6’4” and 6’3” inches, respectively. Height is not a concern if a nose tackle can consistently play with the proper pad level. There have been many great NTs who were tall.

     

    Thats true but the game is changing. It's tough to get lower than a 6'1 guy when your 6'5

     

    And he's listed at 6'5 taller than mount Washington and Pat

    QB Film Room: Mason Rudolph

    in College Football

    Posted · Edited by Buffalo716

    25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    Fair enough I obviously misinterpreted your grading system as being higher on him than he is. I have him right on that late 1st / early 2nd borderline but believe he will go earlier than that. 

     

    I'm not a mathematician lol I wouldn't say my grading system is fool proof

     

    my grades are simple 

     

    90-100- Generational Prospect 

     

    80-89- High end 10 year starter 

     

    70-79- High end prospect ( can develop into good starter)

     

    60-69- low end prospect ( backup potential)

     

    a lot of QBs will fall into the high end prospect range... but that's because a lot of QBs are taken in the 1st 3 rounds with high hopes

     

    He has to overcome scheme, mechanics, and show he can go through progressions before he takes the next step

     

    the positives and negatives column has way more weight than the grade... which is just a number I come up with after giving them grades 1-100  grade in 12 categories and average them

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    QB Film Room: Baker Mayfield

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    56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

    What are your thoughts on this... clearly it can be developed further but cuts a bit into his readiness as an nfl prospect pertaining to accuracy 

     

     

    I do agree that Baker  has thrown a lot of screen passes and shovels 

     

    but it i do not think it masks accuracy deficiencies.

     

    Baker is legitimately accurate at all levels and throws a great ball. But he does throw a good amount of screens... but so does Mason Rudolph and Josh Allen

    QB Film Room: Mason Rudolph

    in College Football

    Posted · Edited by Buffalo716

    4 hours ago, JohnC said:

    716, Terrific job. Fair and balanced. My fear is that he is a Matt Schaub type of player. Bland but acceptable. 

     

    I would say he has a much stronger arm than Matt Schaub 

    9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

    Good work 716.  My full scouting reports on the 7 prospects I have properly watched will be up next month but there is a LOT of commonality in what you see and what I see.  Specifically on progressions there is a lot of one read and the guy is open because it is a well coordinated offense with talented skill players (that shouldn't be held against him in the same way it shouldn't have been held against Watson in 2017) but on the occasions where he does need to get past his first guy he does show an ability to.  My slight nervousness on his progressions is that it is a small playbook that Ok St. run with a lot of plays being run multiple times in a game and his progressions appear at times a little "learned."  Now every scheme in the pros has a 1st progression and then a 2nd progression etc but I wonder whether Mason understands what he is seeing sufficiently to know based on the defensive look that is shutting his #1 down that for example his #2 is unlikely to be open and he should get to his #3 as quickly as possible.  At times I think he struggled with that and you would really, really want to probe him in interviews and visits.  Does he understand and read defenses or does he just understand the Mike Gundy offense? I think missing the Senior Bowl hurts him much more from an interview perspective than it does from a working under center in front of teams perspective.  

     

    I am not quite as high as you overall - but I think there is a lot of maligning him on this forum and much of it unfairly. I an era of a lot of gimmicky spread systems where everything happens behind the line of scrimmage a QB who is asked to throw downfield a lot and does it successfully should give you a reasonable level of confidence in his transition.    

     

    I wouldn't necessarily say I'm high on him. I won't endorse him 

     

    He is a high end PROSPECT, but just that a prospect . My grade doesn't indicate a starter, just a prospect with upside.

     

    but the NFL loves drafting QB prospects in the first. Gabbert, Locker, Mahomes, Bortles etc

     

    he will go early second or late first, but I'm not endorsing him... just placing him in the draft

    3 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

    Says one.

     

    Thanks 716, appreciate the effort. Would not mind the pick on day 2.

     

    Your welcome

    When will an owner speak out against this blatant favoritism for the *Patriots

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    47 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

     

    Wait a minute!   Maybe we need more discussions about how college football is fixed. Alabama surprisingly picked for the playoffs over Ohio St and then win the title.  Are Alabama and Nick Saban becoming the New England and Belichick of college football?  Some people love them, some hate them

     

    Love them or hate them they have the most talented team in the country and deserve to be there

     

    they are a better team than UCF and Ohio State which had 2 losses

    QB Film Room: Mason Rudolph

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    Posted · Edited by Buffalo716

    This ones for you oldtimeAFLguy.

     

    Mason Rudolph was Mel Kipers #1 ranked SR QB heading into the season. The 6'5 230 pound passer has done nothing nothing but produce since taking over the job as a Sophomore 

     

    OVERVIEW

     

    Mason Rudolph has been extremely productive over his career at Oklahoma State. He is a big, strong QB who has displayed some very good football over his 3 years

     

    Rudolph has pretty good arm strength although I wouldn't classify it as elite and it does lack a bit for a big guy.  He throws well to the intermediate areas , down the seam with zip and throws a very good deep ball

     

    Almost instantly on tape Rudolphs deep ball jumps out to you. It is a staple of his game and a big reason why he is a threat. Whether it's down the sideline or seam he has displayed good arm strength and touch on deep throws

     

    He works the middle of the field well and can fire it down the seams 

     

    A lot of throws are purely 1 read rythem throws. The ball is out before his feet are even planted.  Quick outs and bubble screens... this hindered his progressions a good amount... but the rythem quick out has became an NFL must throw... he does that well

     

    not great lower body mechanics. As stated, the Ball is out regularly before his feet are set... this is a product of his offense as well... If he can learn to set his feet and keep them under him this will increase his accuracy as well 

     

    Due to his spotty mechanics he also tends to have hit or miss accuracy on some shorter throws... it's not uncommon to see him miss a guy high or wide.

     

    Rudolph is a good athlete who was once a prep school TE before transitioning to QB... He moves pretty well for a QB his size and throws decently on the run

     

    He has shown a willingness to step up in the pocket and deliver the throw while taking a hit

     

    STRENGTHS

     

    - Productive 3 year starter

    - Good NFL size

    - Good NFL caliber deep ball

    - throws to the intermediate areas with zip and touch on situations 

    -Throws the deep ball with good touch

    -Works the seams

    -throws good out route 

    -Good enough athlete to move around the pocket 

    -Throws on run well

    -Gets rid of the ball on time 

     

    NEGATIVES

     

    -Spotty lower body mechanics 

    -Can sail passes 

    -ball placement isn't always great

    -played in highly productive spread offense

    -Needs work from under center 

    -can work on progressions

    -Lacks some touch on shorter throws

     

    BOTTOM LINE

     

    Mason Rudolph is a prototypical Pocket Passer who played in a Gimmicky spread Offense. He is a Big, strong QB who likes to throw it deep. He does a lot of things well and is elite at nothing. He has good value as a second round pick but it wouldn't shock me to see him in the later half of the first with QBs coming off the board 

     

    Scouts Grade

     

    78.9 ( High end Prospect )

     

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    Pats create PI when they are losing

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    Posted

    Just now, ddaryl said:

     

     

    I agree the league has been watered down...  way to much tilt towards offense and the passing game...  Miss the game being played the 1st 30 years of the modern NFL

     

    Now because of Tom Brady you cannot hit QBs low in the pocket anymore either.

     

    so you can't hit them high(which is fine)

    and you can't hit them at the knees or lower which elimates diving shoestring sacks as well

     

    now in an extremely fast game , you are asking defenders to hit a strike zone as well after beating their man

     

    Tom Brady is playing till he's 40 because you can't breathe on him anymore 

     

    i digress it gets me to frustrated 

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    Pats create PI when they are losing

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    16 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

     

    Agreed so you have to be a good actor.. If you abuse it you'll get a reputation for it.  

     

    And their are a lot that abuse it...

     

    its a disgrace to the beautiful game of football . Mel Blount was a guy I wanted to play like.

     

    Fast, physical, wanted the ball, got the Ball. Defense is the counter to offense

     

    and the league is going down a one way street right now 

    Is Vita Vea an NT?

    in College Football

    Posted · Edited by Buffalo716

    On 1/22/2018 at 1:31 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said:

    One of the few 1 techs that can be a very, very good 3 tech, IMHO.

     

    Yea I think he's probably a 1 tech and 3 tech. He's way too tall to be a traditional 0 tech nose 

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