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    Bills Contract Extentions FA Signings Jinx

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    As Bills fans, it is natural to talk about whether or not players are/were "good," or even "busts." After all, what are we supposed to talk about?

     

    The thing is, Whaley used 2 1st round picks and a fourth to draft a receiver. He also gave a frequently injured "good" tight end a billion dollars. Both play on a team with quarterback issues. No matter who wins the argument, the Bills are losing and will continue to lose until this issue is solved.

     

    McDermott cannot be as bad as Ryan. It isn't possible but grabbing that 1st round corner was more of the same as far as I am concerned.

     

    The new administration had better do something soon if they want to keep this franchise in WNY.

    Trading up for Sammy with EJ as our QB I agree is bad management... it takes 2 to tango

     

    But now we have a young 24 year old Sammy with a lot to prove

     

    Hopefully he steps up for a 1300 yard season

    The nuances of the QB position

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    He needs to learn to trust his WRs and allow them to make a play. Too many instances on 3rd and long where he does t throw to the sticks because he is too afraid of turning it over. Is that because he doesn't have confidence in his WRs or his ability to make the throw? Idk....but until he gets comfortable letting it rip a bit more on 3rd, I think we remain out of the playoffs. Maybe the new system and OC will put him in better position to make those throws. I applaud his ability to not turn th ball over but there are many instances in which he needs to give his teammates a chance to make the play as opposed to letting the punter take the field

    Well said

     

    Only he knows why he throws short of the sticks on 3rd down. If he can take more CALCULATED RISKS on 3rd down this year maybe we turn the page as an offense

     

    Shady out of the backfield should be a no brainer on 3rd and 4 all year. Move those sticks

    The nuances of the QB position

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    It's a little unfair to use Matt Ryan as the comparison. He has to be the benchmark for stepping up into the pocket. It's amazing-- at times he looked like he was standing in a phone booth made out of offensive linemen.

     

    But, we don't need, or, I would submit, want that level of pocket presence in Tyrod. For one thing, that human phone booth would be a human well in Tyrod's case. But, indeed, it is his ability to escape that makes him so special. If he could just learn to occupy the pocket, and step forward, that would be huge. I'm not sure the word "innate" applies here.

    I totally agree. He doesn't have to be Matt Ryan. I used innate for him because you can tell it's 100 % natural.

     

    TT should be TT. Play within himself and do a little of everything. If he can improve standing tall in the pocket even a little bit that's a big win to go with his play making

    Anybody gonna watch the Lamachenko fight?

    in Off the Wall Archives

    Posted

    I agree that his skills are impressive. Kirby and I agree, let's see him against a higher skilled opponent. I also wonder about his loss? Strange that a guy like him would lose a decision, even being a slow starter.

    Does anyone remember Prince Naseem Hamed? This guy reminds me of him. The Prince was everything Lamachenko is. When the Prince stepped up, he got cut to ribbons by Barrera. My gut tells me Lamachenko is mo

    re Hamed than Barrera.

    I fully agree I want to see him fight better competition.

     

    And his SD loss was a joke. He was lowblowed after lowblowed and a judge didn't take a point away. Which proved the difference.

     

    You said it yourself he likes to start slow, I don't think he will let it go to the judges anymore after his SDL

    The nuances of the QB position

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    Yeah... this is interesting because before BBMB shut down I remember you felt very differently about Taylor. What changed your mind?

    At least I think that was you, right?

    You were the one getting a scouting job, right?

    Yes that's me.

     

    I was never a TT hater but I can admit that I thought we were going nowhere with him and I was adamant we needed an upgrade.

     

    Then I stepped back for a few months and I guess it hit me that Rex had so much dysfunction here it was amazing we did as good as we did. Stop putting square pegs into round holes.

     

    Rewatching TT games I saw a QB who can be very effective in the right scheme. He isn't ever going to wow you with arm talent but he is precise on short routes and excels at the deep ball

     

    He makes the first pass rusher miss almost at will and TT and shady are probably the best 1-2 rushing threat in the league

     

    He needs to improve on his decisiveness but I feel I was very hard on his critique. He is easily in the top 20 and just may be the most exsplosive QB in the NFL. I will take that This season

     

    I loved bbmb very much but I feel I also was getting very cynical about our bills

    I written several times on this site, including at the beginning of last season, that I thought TT needed to step up into the pocket. I have also posited that his ability to do so would take pressure off the O-line, and RT in particular.

     

    I don't necessarily agree that this is an "either you have it, or don't" attribute. Accuracy, mental aptitude, certain mechanics, perhaps-- these are the things that can't be taught. I think that many such attributes are things that Tyrod already possesses. That's the good news.

     

    You can't teach his athleticism.

     

    But, stepping up into the pocket? That, I believe is something that is easily understandable. I think it just takes awareness, proprioception (which TT has miles of), discipline, and self-confidence. I think it also takes some real chemistry with the O-line.

     

    I think Tyrod can get there, and I think his game takes a significant step forward if/when it does.

     

     

     

    I written several times on this site, including at the beginning of last season, that I thought TT needed to step up into the pocket. I have also posited that his ability to do so would take pressure off the O-line, and RT in particular.

     

    I don't necessarily agree that this is an "either you have it, or don't" attribute. Accuracy, mental aptitude, certain mechanics, perhaps-- these are the things that can't be taught. I think that many such attributes are things that Tyrod already possesses. That's the good news.

     

    You can't teach his athleticism.

     

    But, stepping up into the pocket? That, I believe is something that is easily understandable. I think it just takes awareness, proprioception (which TT has miles of), discipline, and self-confidence. I think it also takes some real chemistry with the O-line.

     

    I think Tyrod can get there, and I think his game takes a significant step forward if/when it does.

     

    I written several times on this site, including at the beginning of last season, that I thought TT needed to step up into the pocket. I have also posited that his ability to do so would take pressure off the O-line, and RT in particular.

     

    I don't necessarily agree that this is an "either you have it, or don't" attribute. Accuracy, mental aptitude, certain mechanics, perhaps-- these are the things that can't be taught. I think that many such attributes are things that Tyrod already possesses. That's the good news.

     

    You can't teach his athleticism.

     

    But, stepping up into the pocket? That, I believe is something that is easily understandable. I think it just takes awareness, proprioception (which TT has miles of), discipline, and self-confidence. I think it also takes some real chemistry with the O-line.

     

    I think Tyrod can get there, and I think his game takes a significant step forward if/when it does.

     

    Oh he can ABSOLUTELY IMPROVE stepping up in the pocket but it WILL NEVER BECOME INNATE.

     

    Read Matt Ryan's scouting report from a decade ago. One of the first things... Innate sense in the pocket... you are born with that innate ability to feel inside the pocket.

     

    TTs brain tells him to escape. He can hone it and become better at stepping up but he will never be Picasso in the pocket

    Best Athlete Ever

    in Off the Wall Archives

    Posted

    Naw, just throw it towards him and he'd go up and get it. Jump ball situation with a 6'1, 215 lb safety on him, who do you think wins?

    He reportedly ran a 4.6 40, that's faster than Gronkowski, similar to Jimmy Graham.

    I don't think he'd be any slouch if he switched sports, too late now though.

     

    I don't believe the 6'1 safety would have a chance

    Best Athlete Ever

    in Off the Wall Archives

    Posted

    Lots good answers, Bo deservedly gets his love.

     

    I'm going to throw in a shout out to the late Wilt Chamberlain.

     

    Tthe stories told about him are Paull Bunyan/Chuck Norris-like.

     

    https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2e6shs/compilation_of_wilt_chamberlain_stories/

     

    Larry Brown's story about the UCLA pick up game against Magic, James Worthy, Byron Scott, AC Green and Bernard King might be the best.

     

    I said a page back that Wilt would have dominated any era.

     

    He was a once in a lifetime phenom. He could bench 500lbs

    Best Athlete Ever

    in Off the Wall Archives

    Posted

    Yeah, for 1 year. Not exactly a 10 year run of top tier performance. Same with football - one Pro Bowl.

    I get that his split time played a big part in that. He was clearly an incredible talent, but it would have been nice to see him go crazy in one sport for a long time. That matters to me, YMMV.

    Lebron would be a Pro Bowl tight end from Day 1.

     

    I really don't know about that.

     

    1 good shot across the middle and he would fold up. He would need an all star QB to be good. Put him on the browns or SF and he's nothing

     

    He's not that tough on the bball court. He's a beast and a HoF but rather soft for a 6'8 270 beast. Always flops. I think keuchley would take his head off across the middle

     

    Maybe I'm wrong. put him with Brady or Rodgers and he would be special as a receiving TE

    Best Athlete Ever

    in Off the Wall Archives

    Posted

    Bo was an All Star in baseball. As a fielder, he was probably better than anyone since. As a hitter he was still learning but already a feared power hitter.

     

    What other sports did Phelps or Lebron dominate?

    I'm honestly wondering. Did bo ever win a gold glove?

    The nuances of the QB position

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by Buffalo716

    Being an NFL QB is arguably the hardest job in all of professional sports. What makes it super difficult are all the little nuances that a top tier QB must possess and develop. Some are more innate than others.

     

    A nuance which is very innate and hardest to teach is the ability to STEP UP into the pocket naturally. Even when it is murky and there are lots of bodies around you must have the innate ability to slide up through traffic. (See Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, Jim Kelly) you either have it or you don't. TT can improve but this is one nuance he Must work on. He will mostly always scramble outside the tackle box for more time instead of stepping up and staying in the pocket.

     

    But I did see some nuances in TT game the first year and he improved and developed them through last year.

     

    What I saw was a QB who studied cornerbacks intently. When running 9 routes he would wait intentionally until he had his burner on usually the slowest or worst CB on the field. He was patient checking it down until he had the favorable matchup he wanted and then he executed the deep ball. Supremely smart

     

    Another nuance that was easily identifiable was his ability to feel and avoid the first pass rusher. While I already said that TT doesn't and will never do it like a traditional pocket QB he does have a "sixth sense" when it comes to feeling the pass rush and avoiding the first pass rusher. Without this nuance you are Blaine Gabbert or EJ spin left out of every situation Manuel

     

    TT has good accuracy at all levels of the field. He reads a zone defense well and locates the soft spot in the zone. Sometimes hesitant to pull the trigger but he knows how to break down a zone . 

     

    What I saw him develop last year: It was a good surprise to see TT utilize the pump fake more last season. Again this is a nuance  you can develop and it was a good sign to see from TT. QBs either utilize it or they don't. The bad ones usually don't. It was definitely positive to see TT moving safeties with his pump

     

    WHAT HE NEEDS TO DEVELOP

     

    This is the key to the bills success and TT development as a QB. The one nuance that TT has yet to display at a high rate. His ability to look off linebackers and safeties with his eyes consistently. The greats are all magicians. David Copperfield. Get you looking one way when all the action is going on in the other direction. If Brady knows he's going one way you can bet he will be looking off the linebackers to open up space. The greats are master manipulators with their eyes and that's what sets them apart

     

    If TT can continue to develop the nuances of the QB position the bills will be in a good position to win football games

     

    UPDATE

    Through the first half of the season TT has been his consistent self. He doesn't turn ball over and he makes plays with his arm as well as his legs

    The last few weeks he is starting to play very good ball and is trusting his arm and his eyes more.

    Getting healthy on offense for TT will be huge for the late season stretch. Charles Clay is TTs favorite and most dependable target. He is a great safety blanket and He is priceless to TT

    TT has been surprising me in a good way recently. While his stats are never gaudy he has been very steady lately.

    He is playeing more comfortably from the pocket and is trusting his arm more

    He constantly makes 1-2 plays a game that few or no other QBs can make

    If the Bills are going to make the playoffs this year it rests on the continued development of TT as a QB

     

    Anybody gonna watch the Lamachenko fight?

    in Off the Wall Archives

    Posted

    I honestly wasn't impressed with him. He is definitely athletic and skilled don't get me wrong. I didn't care for all of the nonsense in there and I didn't see how his opponent got knocked out. The punches didn't seem to be landing clean and his power seemed very lacking. Espn of course is going to make it sound like it was spectacular. I just didnt see it that way.

    The corner threw in the towel.

     

    When you are literally 10x better than the guy you are stepping into the ring against you try to get as much ring time as possible so you are better prepared for that 12 round war

     

    He coulda ended him round 2

    Best Athlete Ever

    in Off the Wall Archives

    Posted

    With a ballistic pendulum, which doesn't really work for baseballs.

    I agree with that 100% lol but the army was the one who tested him out so they must have had some gauge as to determine or calculate his speed. why wasn't it 93? What made them gauge it to 99

     

    Either or Walter Johnson is widely regarded as one of the hardest throwers of a baseball ever. Ty Cobb said he was the most powerful arm ever inside a ballpark.

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