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Nah Adebo dragged him to the ground. It's just brain dead defensive play. The ball was never going to be caught. The Saints as a whole are playing very tight tonight. It is the Chiefs effect for sure. They just come out and play their game while the other side panics and makes silly mistakes

Embarrassing CB play. You had leverage against a small WR. Just maintain your position and play the ball.

Are you freaking kidding me that Olave randomly bouncing forward on his toes pre-snap costs the Saints a 3rd down conversion? I'm regularly in awe at the new and creative ways teams manage to give away games to the Chiefs.

What are they thinking? You blitz Mahomes when you're just trying to make it to halftime?

They are good but Chiefs have had an OT problem all year long. They might have the best IOL and the worst OT pair in the league, the discrepancy is that stark.

Awful defensive coaching to not be ready for the screen on 2nd and 34 by the way. The most obvious play call in that situation that defenses always manage to screw up.

From 2nd and 34 to this. This coaching staff is on another planet.

That Chiefs rookie RB is going to be out of the trust tree soon. Way too many ball handling issues.

The Chiefs open up massive holes in the run game. They play old school football and it works.

Seriously, this is insane. I'd say it's just a random blown coverage but it happens so frequently. How do they do it?

There has been a lack of details on offense for years now. Personnel is the biggest problem right now but it would be nice if we had elite offensive coaching like other contenders do. We need elite talent or elite coaching to support our elite QB, but we have neither.

Never seen a player end up with zero players on the screen with him more often than Kelce. I don't get it. It wasn't great route running there, the defense just forgot he exists. How does that always happen?

Kind of conflicting info here from the two agent mouthpieces but sounds like his season is 99% likely to be over. Just in time for him to start his suspension in the 2025 season if the league does the right thing and holds off until he's healthy.

It basically just comes down to LV pulling their head out of the sand and accepting a realistic offer. If it's true that they're not willing to eat any money under any circumstances then this isn't a realistic option for us. I'd like to think an offer of a 2nd round pick when no other team is offering that would be enough to get them to make concessions on the money.

Here are Allen's stats on the year: YPA 7.2 Passer rating 102.8 TD% 6.1% INT% 0% Sack% 4.38% ANY/A 7.76 Here are Mahomes' stats from last year: YPA 7.0 Passer rating 92.6 TD% 4.5% INT% 2.3% Sack% 4.33% ANY/A 6.26 It's not Allen. This is what happens to any passing offense led by any QB when you don't surround them with enough talent.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DA1L_-bJnqQ/?igsh=MXZkenU0eTE3bzBwdw== I can't say for sure how legitimate this account is, just passing along the info they posted. The account has 54K followers but there are a lot of bogus NFL rumor accounts out there so it take it with a grain of salt.

I'm not saying Josh can do no wrong. Unequivocally this was not a good game for him. He made several bad throws and bad decisions especially in the 1st half. The Hollins throw was not one of them. I'm not asking Hollins to make an exceptional play. I'm asking him to run his route normally, track the ball in the air while he is wide open, and make an easy catch. It honestly blows my mind that we are assigning any blame to Josh on this easy play that any competent WR makes. Josh does exactly what people want him to do on deep throws - he throws the ball at an arc so his WR can run under it and make the catch.

Allen makes the read and gears up to throw the ball before the safety is dusted. That is why binary leverage reads are built into the play, the goal is to make it as easy as possible for the QB and WR to be on the same page. But it really shouldn't even matter. A competent WR easily tracks the ball and comes down with the catch. There's really no excuse for Hollins not to come down with the ball.

I respect that but this is the NFL. DB leverage always determines the throw. It's determined even before Hollins makes his break. The safety is showing inside leverage to start, bites inside on the double move, and at that point Allen is automatically throwing the ball to the outside shoulder. It is not an overthrow or a bad leverage read. Hollins just panics and makes a dumb play. In spite of all that if he had even a modicum of body control or speed he could have come down with it, but here we are. He failed mentally and physically on a layup TD. Like I said I really don't understand the controversy here.

This is just wrong. It's a sluggo, the safety always determines which shoulder you're throwing to. Hollins is supposed to bend his route towards the sideline. But honestly it shouldn't even matter here. The ball is thrown with arc and he has plenty of time to track it. Instead he panics and starts looking for the ball way too early and throws the timing off. If he just runs his normal route it is a catch in stride for a walk in TD. I don't understand the controversy here. Hollins is a garbage WR and has been his entire career except for one outlier year where elevated to JAG status.

Wow I haven't seen anyone bring this up. Great catch. So was McDermott really thinking we had a chance to win the game in regulation?? That's crazy. You need to have a feel of what kind game you're playing and make appropriate decisions.

Dave - I don't want to bog down the thread with a play that has already been analyzed to death, but I think you are just wrong about this one. Hollins for whatever reason panicked and started looking for the ball in the air way too eary. He needed to just keep running his route and would have easily gotten to the ball in perfect stride and walked in for a TD.

No QB has ever elevated their receiving corps. I don't know why this myth was so pervasive in the offseason. Mahomes didn't elevate any of his crappy WRs last year.

It wasn't ball placement. Hollins lost track of the ball in the air and failed to come down with what should have been an easy catch and walk in TD. Any starting caliber WR makes that play.

You just named two. That's my point. He never had Mack Hollins caliber pass catchers as his primary targets. When the Pats offense did finally devolve to that level, he took the first ticket out of town and signed with the best offensive roster in the NFL where he immediately won another Super Bowl.