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That's crazy man. My SSN is 716-17-2024 and my mother's maiden name is McClappy.

Well yeah it's plainly obvious that Beane had no 1st round grades left when our pick came up. Or else he would have made a pick. But I don't know why some are using this point as a gotcha? The widespread belief of draftniks was that after Brian Thomas the rest of the WRs were borderline 1st/2nd round talents at best. Beane didn't go off the reservation when he intentionally made his way into the 2nd round before making his pick. His evaluation was the consensus evaluation. The Chiefs on the other hand obviously graded Worthy as a true 1st round talent. If Beane misevaluated he'll be judged for it but we won't know that answer for a while. Okay. I'll predict that this doesn't happen.

No, it really doesn't support that view. Because scoring a TD on a miscommunication/blown coverage has nothing to do with being the fastest person in combine history. Now on the first TD of course his speed was a factor. But you don't draft WRs in the 1st round to score on well blocked reverses. You draft them there to consistently win against coverage and produce at a high level. Many fast WRs throughout the league would have scored there too. It is still a great play, the elite speed showed up, but it gives us no new information to evaluate whether the player is a 1st round talent or not. To make this point obvious, imagine if for the rest of Worthy's career he produces almost exclusively on reverses and blown coverages. Think the Chiefs or anyone will give him a huge extension? Obviously not. In that scenario his career ceiling is Mecole Hardman.

I have no issues investing in the OL. I do have an issue paying a solid but unspectactular RT the market rate which ties up finite cap dollars that could be used on more important players. That's all I'm saying.

Fair question but I really just look at these things in the context of the Bills. Because every team is at a different point in their life cycle. For us we have an elite QB who is way underpaid relative to his peers and we are going to need to bring his AAV up to the current NFL standard within the next two offseasons. We have been playing with house money the last couple years and haven't really taken advantage of it. That advantage is about to end. Soon we'll have a decision to make about Rousseau who IMO is more valuable than Brown, we also have Shakir and Bernard coming up before too long. So in that context our cap position is not going to look as favorable in the future as it appears right now. Every draft pick and cap dollar spent in the NFL represents some sort of trade off. When you're paying an elite QB you have to pick your investments. Personally I don't think a solid RT at the market rate is a good investment in that context. My bet is that at some point in the future there will be a possible free agent or trade candidate that could make a real difference for the team, and we won't be able to afford him because of moves like this one. Just like we couldn't afford Hopkins because of similar moves made in the past few years.

Oh for sure it is. If the plan was to extend him no matter what, doing it now is better than doing it next year. I agree with that. But I would have let him walk in free agency, saved the cap dollars for something more important, and accepted the likely 3rd round comp pick. This has nothing to do with my feelings about Spencer Brown by the way. I was defending him last offseason when a lot of the fanbase was saying he's a terrible RT and that we needed to draft Darnell Wright if he was available at our 1st round pick. I like the player. I don't like spending a lot of money on the position when we're going to be tight against the cap in future years and we have a good stable of possible replacements waiting in the wings.

Okay but next time a DeAndre Hopkins becomes available and someone on here tells me it would be impossible to fit his contract in, I'm going to point to Spencer Brown's contract.

Everyone agrees a big problem with our team is we don't have enough true game changers. Brown has been a good to very good RT for us but he is not a game changer. That's where my issue lies. We're taking money that could be spent on a real game changer and giving it to merely a solid player instead, plus we probably could have gotten a 3rd round comp pick back if he walked in FA next year. Every investment is a trade off and I'm not convinced in this case the trade off is worth it.

I had a feeling this would happen, Beane wants to get a win for his draft class, but IMO it's a mistake. We have a decent stable of tackles behind Brown and RT just isn't that difficult a position to fill. I was hoping we would save our limited cap dollars for a legit WR next year. Oh well. Since the numbers aren't out I would guess it's a pretty team friendly team, just not what I would have done.

100% fair. Of course I believe the Chiefs are several steps ahead of us in multiple facets. I'm not sure draft evaluation is one of them, or if it is it's not by much. The three Hall of Fame talents on their team were drafted by John Dorsey, not Veach. He's had some downright terrible picks over the years like every GM does. Even at WR I would describe his use of draft picks as middling. The difference between him and Beane is he has taken a lot more shots and naturally over time that is going to lead to more hits.

@GoBills808 this is an example of what I mean. Many people in this thread admitting out loud their biggest problem with the trade is that it brings negative media attention or "looks bad." That is at the bottom of my list of factors in how I evaluate the trade.

Not at all. Every time Worthy does anything valuable for the Chiefs until the end of time there will be chatter among Bills fans. I just don't care and I'm glad Beane didn't either. Of course if Worthy turns into a very good WR and Coleman sucks than we can have a conversation about Beane's inability to properly scout the players. But we're really not even close to that point yet.

I knew it would be looked at unfavorably. I just don't care about perception at all. I'll stand by my pre-draft take - I thought outside of the top three WRs, the best of the rest were all 2nd round talents and the most favorable outcome was to trade down into the 2nd to recoup our 3rd and then take the best WR available there. The fact that the Chiefs were the ones who called wouldn't have changed my thinking at all.

Plenty to criticize Beane for but I'll never criticize him for refusing to play scared of the Chiefs. If that's his mindset he's already lost the ability to do his job. You gotta trust your evaluations and do what you think is right for your team. He had no 1st round grades on his board so he traded back and got a free 3rd rounder out of it. The idea that he shouldn't have done that just because it made it slightly more likely the Chiefs got a player they might have gotten anyways is chicken little thinking. It's entirely possible we would have taken Coleman at 28 and the Chiefs would have taken Worthy at 32 anyways. Same result but we don't pick up a 3rd rounder. I know we live an era of hot takes but let's give the draft class a couple years to develop before we make sweeping judgments, yeah?

I guess but only a handful of QBs make the pass to Bateman that gets them down there in the first place. Being able to drive the ball like that is a rare talent and we shouldn't throw it under the rug. I feel that QBs like Allen and Jackson are sometimes a victim of their own success. They make so many incredible circus plays that keep their team in games they have no business being in, and then they make one mistake or bad throw and all the critics point and say "see?? I told you he sucks!" Like they are at times single handedly dragging their offenses into tight games that would otherwise be a losing blowout, and then they're solely blamed for not making the one more play that was needed to finish the job.

He wasn't the main problem with the Ravens offense last night. By far their biggest problem was the OL. No QBs are going to look great when every other play is a jailbreak. The final series in particular was comical, with Justice Hill somehow ending up blocking 1v1 on Chris Jones a couple times. That is a major coaching blunder. On that note, offensive coaching was the 2nd biggest problem for the Ravens last night. They threw away too many drives with joke play calls and were behind the sticks way too often. The multiple illegal formation plays is absolutely on coaching too. I won't let Harbaugh off the hook either - wasting two timeouts in the 3rd quarter was a massive blunder. 3rd was the Ravens outside WRs' failure to separate. Their offense had to live in the middle of the field and could only throw outside the hashes if the pass was behind the LoS, and we saw how much that limited them. They basically had two explosive plays that single handedly kept them in the game. Other than that their offense was a slog. And then we come to Lamar Jackson. To his credit, every big play was on him. Some of those runs were vintage Lamar Jackson. The two explosive pass plays were excellent passes, period. His problem last night and in the past is he has a trigger that is a tick too slow. The missed TD to Likely on the final series is a good example of this. He missed a TD to his RB on the previous play for the same reason. And the issue is that when you're that close to the endzone, having a quick trigger is even more important because windows are closing instantly. It is a legitimate flaw to his game but it doesn't mean he is secretly a below average player or whatever. FWIW Mahomes wasn't at his best last night either. His interception was laughably bad, he almost had another on a poor decision, and his ball placement was off on several throws. Everybody is a little bit sloppy in W1. The difference is Mahomes had much better offensive coaching, better weapons, and better protection. What I saw last night was one team that was all around just more prepared to play than the other. The Ravens appeared to still be working out offseason kinks while the Chiefs looked like they hadn't missed a beat since February.

Alright so I guess this result is probably better for us? I have trouble believing any team other than the Chiefs will get the #1 seed so the Ravens taking a loss seems more helpful.

Hahahaha that is absolutely unreal. I thought for sure he broke his collarbone and instead he comes back in to make that play. Oh but wait...

Lamar is single handedly ruining their chance here

The thought was that he could have trouble getting off press man outside. This play... ...is not an example of that, at all. Humphrey has his eyes on the QB and is clearly playing cover 2 flat. Unfortunately one of both of the safeties was playing something else. I learned exactly nothing about Worthy on this play. Of course he might prove that part of his scouting part wrong still. It's week 1 of his rookie season.

That is stupid and undisciplined from the Ravens. Wipe out a 10 yard penalty because you want to take a cheap shot.

I have no idea. I'm not going to make any sweeping conclusions about a rookie in week 1 in any direction.

I'm annoyed by our handling of the WR position, as I'm sure you know, but I'm not going to lie about what my own eyes are seeing. Stat lines without context don't do it for me.

Humphrey literally let him go and was playing the flat the whole time.

I'm sure everyone will act rationally about a blown coverage. Backbreaking drive. Ravens defense kept them in it the whole time and then they completely fold.