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4 minutes ago, Z-Mann said:
he went from brutally bad to just bad? And we want to celebrate that?
I think he went from bad to mediocre, and yes we should be decently happy with that progress. See my post here:
Allen had every flaw you could think of in college outside of physical traits and decent intermediate accuracy. It's actually kind of amazing how many problems he's cleaned up. That's not to say we should be pleased with where he is, but I'm happy with his progress. It's all a matter of how far he develops. If this is his ceiling he's not good enough. But he's gone from Jamarcus Russell to Ryan Tannehill. I'll take that, for now.
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5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
He was very reminiscent of Tyrod against Cleveland though.
I just don't see the similarity at all. I watched the Cleveland game again last night and yes he bailed on a few clean pockets early. But he had a number of anticipation throws and Tyrod never really got to that point. Tyrod got worse every season. Allen keeps getting better, although the improvement is not linear.
I never wanted us to draft Allen because he had so many issues coming out of college. Poor accuracy, poor decision making, poor pocket presence, you name it. It was never going to be a quick fix. Since his rookie season he has made substantial improvements in turnovers, short accuracy, reading defenses, and pocket presence. I would say he still needs to get much better at deep accuracy and moderately better at processing speed and pocket presence. But overall he is not the same player he is at Wyoming. Now the overarching message is that Allen needs to be more consistent, NOT that he isn't capable of doing the things he needs to do to make it in the NFL. I guess I'm just wondering what everyone expected.
Before we drafted Allen my opinion was he should sit for 2 years before he even sees the field. This regime decided to let him learn on the fly. Considering how raw he was out of college I'm not expecting him to be a finished product yet. He keeps cleaning up one flaw at a time, and if he keeps up with that trajectory he'll be great. This offseason I hope he works on deep accuracy and slowly but surely learns to trust what he sees. Even some of his completions he's half pump faking because he doesn't quite trust it. But he's already come a long way and I'm not assuming his progress has flattened out because of one game.
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42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Having said that I can see why Jerry asked that with those stats going around and with the way Josh played last weekend which had a lot of Tyrod traits to it.
This seems like an unfair comparison. The criticism of Tyrod was he never was able to put up a lot or passing yards due to an unwillingness to throw the ball. Allen threw for 266 yards against Cleveland. Tyrod did that 10 times total over his 3 seasons here. Not to say Allen had a monster game but but for me is already past what Tyrod was ever able to do, especially in 2016 and 2017. And the arrow is pointing up. It's not like he needs to develop the ability to anticipate throws from scratch, he does need to be more consistent though.
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56 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
So what Jerry is saying is Rookie Allen is equal to or better than Vet Tyrod. That’s actually great news I m o.
Flip side is that the highest drafted qb in Bills history is playing at an equal level as a 6th round pick who some thought should switch positions and is now a career backup.
Sure, if you use a single stat over the entirety of Josh Allen's career including the beginning of his rookie season when everyone agrees he was bad. Or you could look at how he's doing this year and see that he's at 213 YPG and trending up. While Tyrod Taylor decreased his YPG each year from 2015 to 2017. You could also see that Allen has improved in YPA, passer rating, completion percentage, TD percentage, INT percentage, ANY/A, and sack percentage from 2018 to 2019. But if you were a former employee of a dying newspaper you would probably go the other route.
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Sullivan wrote about football for a long time. You'd think he would understand it better.
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On 11/11/2019 at 12:00 PM, corta765 said:
On the final drive the offense is moving and the moment they hit FG range the coaching staff panicked.
I don't agree with this at all. We called a 20 yard pass play on 3rd and 4, we just didn't execute it. At that point it was too late.
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25 minutes ago, Mango said:
On 3rd and 4 given the time in the game, you need to be ready to keep the sticks moving, not just make the standard read.
So on the 3rd and 4 touchdown to John Brown that won us the Jets game, we made the wrong play?
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53 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:
I'm sticking with my Bills 7-9 prediction. That won't likely be right at 7-9,
Uhhh this is not how predictions work.
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7 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:
I get the cover 0 dictated was the check is, but I just don't like that call on 3rd and 4 with the game on the line (it's the circumstance and not anything other than that).
It was the same exact play call we ran against the Jets on 3rd and 4 when we scored the go ahead TD. It was a good call. Brown just misread the situation.
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1 hour ago, Thunderstruck said:
That is NOT a high percentage play, and we needed one there that got us at least 5 - 10 more yards.
I don't know what the percentage is but the back shoulder throw is one of Allen's best. And I don't know if 5 yards would have won us the game. Hauschka already missed a 34 yarder and the last kick wasn't really close. If Brown stops his route and turns back for the ball, we would have had the ball inside the 20 and he would have likely stepped out of bounds. That gives us maybe 3 plays to shoot for the endzone, or at the very least a makeable kick. Good play call, good pre-snap read. Bad execution from Brown.
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33 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:
There are 2 plays that are acceptable to beat Cover 0; Quick routes or a Go Route. John Brown said he got tapped into the Go route - this is an automatic read in our offense based on the defense being played. On the go Route there are 2 options, if the defender beats the DB, you go over the top, if it is tight coverage, it is a back shoulder throw (which Allen did).
This. There is nothing else to argue. It was not a bad play call or a bad read by Allen. We got exactly the look we wanted against cover 0 and Allen threw a back shoulder pass. The problem is Brown made a mistake and kept running, thinking the ball would go over the top. That's it. We don't need to have a 6 page discussion. Brown came out right after the game and explained what happened. It's not complicated.
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8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
But mostly, there's nothing wrong with doing what works
I only realized this morning we didn't run a single jet sweep to McKenzie yesterday. That has been successful all year and the Browns LBs are terrible. Why wasn't that in the game plan? I would have preferred that on 3rd and short over a deep shot to Beasley.
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14 minutes ago, dayman said:
Mayfield does not look very good but does look better than Allen.
Does he? I posted this is in another thread but imagine OBJ was never traded and Mayfield's #1 and #2 receivers were Landry and Higgins, Njoku led the league in dropped passes, and Chubb got just 8 carries on the day. That's effectively our offense.
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18 minutes ago, colin said:
The pass to brown I'm 3rd and 4 was supposed to be back shoulder, but brown read it wrong: he admitted as much in the post game presser.
This seems to happen once a week now, John Brown comes out after the game and says he read a play wrong. Not sure if he's just playing the scapegoat for the cameras, but we do have to remember the offense is practically brand new this year. They're going to have some issues with miscommunication.
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Just now, SoCal Deek said:
Is called having a winning CULTURE not a winning streak, or winning record. The Bills have yet to win much of anything in the last quarter of a century.
Right, the last quarter of a century. That is very relevant to our 6-3 record in 2019. The Steelers winning a Super Bowl 10 years ago means their 5-4 record is more impressive today.
I love this board after a loss. It lightens the mood.
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10 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:
The Steelers play the Browns next week. Think they'll lose?
Oh good lord. Is this your first time watching the NFL? The Bills beat the Jets who beat the Cowboys, therefore the Bills will beat the Cowboys. That's how it always works.
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9 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:
One team talks a lot about culture. The other just goes out and does it.
Yes, one team has done it 5 times and the other has done it 6 times. I can't spell it out any simpler than that. Of course maybe the Steelers will still beat the Bills, I'm not guaranteeing anything. I just find the double standards on here to be hilarious. Imagine if the Bills had lost to the Dolphins, even with their backup QB starting. Everyone here would be calling for a total reset from top to bottom. Maybe Colts fans are calling for Frank Reich to be fired, I honestly don't know. I'm just not gonna sit here and be mad when the Bills have twice as many wins as losses. It is still the NFL and there are no easy games.
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2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:
Behold what winning culture actually is.
The 5 win team is winning culture, the 6 win team is not. I absolutely love this board after a loss.
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Well I wish the Steelers had lost to help our chances, but part of me enjoys watching the Rams fall apart. Let's just beat the Steelers instead of rooting for losses.
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2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:
20+ is a deep shot, friend.
Thats the next gen break down.
Ok even if that's the case only of those attempts was an inaccurate throw. I mean Allen obviously needs to be better on those shot plays, especially when the receiver is college open. It just wasn't the primary issue today. There are about 10 different plays you could point to that directly led to the loss, and only one of them was a missed deep ball. You could point to the missed deep throw to Beasley but for poor situational play calling, not for a poor pass.
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30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
If you are hiding your QB after 20 starts the chances are you drafted the wrong Quarterback.
I just looked at the Packers/Panthers box score. Packers have passed the ball 22 times and ran the ball 23 times. Bills today ran the ball 20 times and passed 41 times. Packers aren't hiding their QB. They're game planning against a weak run defense. That is what we needed to do today.
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2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:
0-4 at attempts of 20+ yards...all over throws
I think we're having two different conversations here. I'm talking about deep shots. He only had 2 of those this game. 1 he missed badly and 1 he had no chance of completing. The only other 20+ yard passes I remember were the drop by Roberts and the one where John Brown weirdly stopped running and jumped in the air.
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56 minutes ago, Chill said:
Mayfield is on a totally different level as Allen.
Imagine if Mayfield had Landry and Higgins as his #1 and #2, and Chubb was getting less than 10 carries a game. And Njoku was leading the NFL in dropped passes. Do you think the outcome of today's game would have been different? Serious question. Because that's what our offense is right now.
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Some Allen/Offense Stats
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by HappyDays
I don't care about QBR, I do agree passer rating and DVOA for the season are not good enough. But I'm looking for continual improvement in each quarter of the season and I'm seeing that. I can't speak for DVOA because they don't post week to week stats, but look at his passer rating this year:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm
Games 1 to 4 he averaged 69.6, games 5 to 9 he averaged 91.8. Or if you think I'm being unfair with that cut off point, games 1 to 5 he averaged 75.2, games 6 to 9 he averaged 90.1.
A clearer picture will emerge as the season continues. He started the season off bad, now he is mediocre. By the end of the year I'd like to see him reach an average level. Next season he'll need to make another big jump.
I didn't want to draft Allen because he had so much to fix but he has been getting better. We're going to have to be patient with him. If his progress ever stops we'll know he's hit his ceiling.