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Against the Dolphins you have to match points. The Patriots are not built for that game script.

The Giants just don't have a lot of talent on the roster. They're throwing fade passes to WR5 talents like Isaiah Hodgins. That just isn't going to get it done in this league.

We didn't do anything crazy on offense. We just found a few plays that worked and kept going back to them. Football doesn't have to be that complicated.

Allen Cook Davis Brown Milano Bernard Jones

$80 million tackle riding the bench.

Milano has been our best defensive player to start the season

Allen the magician!!

Route concepts inside the 10 yard line could still use some work.

Josh is playing a really smart game right now. Staying patient, trusting his OL, going through his reads and finding the opening. Love it.

Except for one really stupid play call the design of the offense has been excellent in this game. Clearly the message this week was take the easy yards. Message received.

Such an awful call at the 1

Run defense looking great, pass rush not so much.

Who was the last Super Bowl participant with a #2 WR at the talent level of Gabe Davis and an average OL? Not even winner, just participant. The thing is I'm confident that Josh can bounce back from his bad performance last week. I'm not confident the players around him are suddenly going to become championship caliber.

You're not understanding the concept of the play. Davis isn't double covered, he's supposed to split the zones of the CB and the safety. That's the whole point of the high/low post corner. In fact this play is exactly what everybody wants Allen to do - read the defense pre-snap, confirm the coverage post-snap, get the ball out right away based on the read. But none of that matters if the read is taken away by a lousy route concept and lousy execution. The issue is that Davis didn't necessarily cut too soon. Based on the other two examples Kurt Warner showed that is for some reason how Dorsey wants that concept run. It doesn't make any sense. Allen is literally just following the concept of the play. Isn't that what everyone wants? If he messed anything up it's the ball placement but like Warner pointed out he is rushing the throw because of when Davis breaks. Allen made a lot of mistakes in this game. This wasn't one of them.

You and me both. It's frustrating when people make judgments about QB play without understanding what the QB's job is on each play. Allen followed the exact concept of this play but it wasn't executed well. Also I previously blamed Davis for this route, and while it certainly was not a crisp route, seeing the other two examples of the same problem from different players I now mostly blame Dorsey for this interception. I don't know what it is with this offense and route depth. It's been an issue for years even when Daboll was here. Too many times we see WRs end up right next to each other when the ball is thrown. On Allen's 2nd interception Sherfield didn't get nearly enough depth to draw Whitehead's attention. Pro football requires absolute precision in the most minute details, especially against a fundamentally and technically sound defense like the Jets have. Is Dorsey coaching these details at a high level? I'm not convinced.

Last season. This season I'd be shocked. And really the Eagles should have won if Hurts hadn't inexplicably dropped the ball. For all the talk about the AFC being a gauntlet, the Eagles, 49ers, and Cowboys all look pretty clearly like the best teams in the league IMO.

I find it hard to believe any team can defeat the 49ers or Eagles in the Super Bowl. They're both way too well balanced and have unstoppable offenses when they don't make mistakes.

"That was closer than I liked but the offense played mistake free football and we got the win."

Troy Vincent

Bills 23 Raiders 20 I'm expecting a very boring game with few big plays from either side. Ultimately our talent advantage wins out.

Unless the Bills run that concept differently from how every other team has ever run it, Davis's job there is to make the safety think he could run a post before cutting to the corner. Instead he carried a big flashing sign that said I'M RUNNING THIS WAY -> and Whitehead had an easy play on the ball.

Gunner I don't disagree with anything you've said in this thread. The loss falls almost exclusively on Josh. But I sometimes get the sense that Dorsey is feeding into those bad habits. The 2nd INT is a good example. That was clearly a designed shot play. Sherfield was supposed to take Whitehead's attention to give Diggs a 1v1 downfield - I'm sure Whitehead got a kick out of that. He smartly ignored Sherfield and drifted backwards into the window of the obvious shot play. So the first thing about this play is that Allen should not have thrown the ball, everyone agrees with that. It's on him to identify that Whitehead didn't bite on Sherfield and either throw the ball away or eat the sack. But we're in a close game against a backup QB where one more FG probably wins the game and Dorsey dials up a shot play for his hyped up arm arrogance QB. Don't you think that is a little bit of a poor coaching job there, while also acknowledging that it is still primarily Josh's fault?

I haven't seen much juice from Harty. He's automatically an upgrade on McKenzie because he doesn't puke all over himself several times a game, but he does not accelerate nearly as fast as advertised and he goes down on first contact. He appears comfortable as a punt returner though so that counts for something. I'm just not expecting him to be much of a contributor on offense. Those 3 yard swing passes gave Allen some easy completions but they didn't really move the offense.

So you agree that Gabe should not be a #2 WR and that Josh was the primary issue on Monday night? Which is exactly what I said in my post? "Fills an important role" - yeah, he is our #2 WR. If you ask anyone on the team from the front office down to the players they'll tell you the same. I'm not presuming anything, the team is. It's gotta be Kincaid or we have to make a trade at some point. There is no other answer.