HappyDays

Clearly Herbert is in the 2nd tier of QBs, that doesn't mean he's not good enough to win a Super Bowl with. He needs way more help than he's getting tonight.

Well that's one way to get back into the game

Eh the weapons have been the bigger problem. Throwing to short Ladd McConkey outside is not ideal, and that's the best pass catcher they have. Not nearly enough talent on the field to move the ball through the air against a stout Houston secondary.

They need to invest heavily in outside WRs. Currently they have none on the roster worth talking about.

This group of pass catchers is hopeless

He is watching the game with Keon Coleman

The people want a 6-3 playoff game. We crave Thursday Night Football quality

Notice how two very good rushing attacks can't get anything going. Playoffs are a different animal with everyone up front giving their best effort.

Quentin Johnston is complete garbage. Not a great throw but fight for the ball.

He spent the offseason doing the podcast circuit crowing about how great he is. Houston is a classic case of a team that wrote their own ticket way too early, starting with that awful trade for a one year rental of a WR on the decline.

LMAO what is he doing?

That was such a bad throw he even overthrew the CB

As expected

I've given the Bills a lot of crap for what they've put around Allen but Herbert certainly has it worse. It's way too hard to move the ball consistently when your best WR is a small white guy that only plays in the slot

Houston for my money is the most unlikeable team in the playoffs. Hoping to see them get blown out.

What happened to Stroud this year. It is like he and Bryce Young have switched bodies

I wouldn't say they stepped up. An overthrow, a poor 3rd and 1 play call, and a brutal drop have stalled out the Chargers. Can't live with that many mistakes in just the 1st quarter of a playoff game. If they play the Chiefs next week those mistakes will be what kills their chances.

Maybe LA will actually make it a point to get Herbert some real pass catchers next year.

Herbert looking extremely sharp early on

It's obvious if Josh doesn't win it this year he never will. Before the season the narrative from most analysts was that the Bills weren't even favorites for their own division because they lost too many players, most notably Diggs and Davis. Imagine back then if you had told any of those analysts we would finish as a top 2 seed only losing 3 real games, we would beat the #1 seed in both conferences, and that we would average over 30 PPG with Allen having the lowest turnovers of his career and still 40+ TDs. Every single one of those analysts would have said if that happens Allen is definitely going to be the MVP, no question. That was the established narrative. Well here we are and his performance if anything was even more impressive than what that summary would have you believe, and still he is no longer the favorite. It's practically impossible for him to do anything more impressive than what he did this year, and unless our coaching and/or talent evaluation drastically improves in the near future it's practically impossible for us to be the #1 seed in the AFC. So it's this year or never for Allen IMO. And I really just don't understand why.

I don't know. It could 100% be confirmation bias on my part because I really do want Allen to win and cement his legacy, but even before the announcement today I sincerely had thought that Lamar as all-pro/Allen as MVP was a fairly likely result. I'd heard it floated by a couple other analysts too. It starts by acknowledging that this MVP race in particular has become very very hostile. There was a viral thread on Twitter where a Ravens fan basically threatened to find Dan Orlovsky when he was in Baltimore and hurt him. Sure it was almost certainly just a joke but it crossed a line and you never know in this day and age. And then there are several analysts trying to make the whole thing into a racial divide. The conversation has just gotten terrible and there's no way that isn't having at least some effect on the voters. So if you're a voter who wants to give Allen MVP but you don't want to be threatened or accused of racial bias, the easy answer is to vote Lamar as 1st team all-pro to give yourself plausible deniability. In that scenario you basically plant yourself on the fence and no one can accuse you of bias. This all sounds insane as I'm typing it out but I think there's some truth to what I'm saying. I would still bet on Allen to win MVP. The all-pro/MVP split would be unprecedented in recent history but this is an unprecedented MVP race in general for a number of reasons.

I don't think the race is over yet. Here's what will happen - everyone that voted Allen 1st team all-pro will also vote him MVP. But some of the Lamar 1st team all-pro voters will give Allen the MVP. Their logic will be that Lamar was the best QB (based on volume stats) but Allen was the most valuable QB (based on narrative and team record). The final result will come down to how many of Lamar's 30 voters fall in that bucket. If even just 10 of them do, Allen will win. And to be honest that's what I think will happen.

So I guess the hope is that AP voters decided to split the baby by giving All-Pro to Lamar but MVP to Josh. Kind of an admission through the voting process that they both deserved it but Josh slightly edged him out for the more prestigious award. That's the hope anyways.

Good find. There is some levelheaded skepticism in there but also some really embarrassing takes. It's funny in hindsight because in that game Allen had Cody Ford, Devin Singletary, and Duke Williams as primary starters. He had barely learned the position yet and he had backups or worse on the field with him.