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What do you think Davis's stats would look like as the #1 WR on the Broncos? Is this for real? Like actually for real? He had 972 yards last year.

I honestly think we can blow the Chiefs out. As long as Dorsey has a good gameplan.

Sean Payton is a disaster. 5 seconds gone for nothing.

Was he trying to throw that away? That's the worst interception I've ever seen Mahomes throw. It's look he tried to throw it out of bounds but his arm got hit.

Awesome. Get blown out and start trading players to contenders. This is a perfect scenario.

Jeudy is not as good as Garrett Wilson or Chris Olave. That was never the argument. He is however better than Gabe Davis, and certainly miles better than the guys we have lower on the depth chart. And you know Davis has never had a 1,000 yard season either, right? In fact Jeudy had 136 yards MORE than Davis last year while playing 213 snaps LESS, without the benefit of an elite QB and an elite WR1 drawing attention away. This isn't even an argument. The only possible reason to push back on trading for Jeudy is his contract and the draft capital we'd have to give up for him. And personally I'm sick of always playing it conservative, always worried about how the move will impact us three years from now while Allen's career slowly slips away.

That could certainly be his logic, but it doesn't make sense. Beane came right out and said we drafted Kincaid to fill in Beasley's old role. Are he and Dorsey not on the same page? Knox and Kincaid have totally different skill sets so they should not be interchangeable.

Knox I understand, he is a better blocker than pass catcher. Kincaid though should not be chipping. That makes no sense. They drafted him to be our slot WR. Dorsey for some reason can't figure out how to get him involved.

Knox has been a huge disappointment this year. In five games he has made one excellent play. He's only catching 57.9% of his targets which is disgustingly bad for a TE with an elite QB. His drop rate is 15.9%. I would like most of his targets to go to Kincaid. That 3rd down drop he had against the Jags, I guarantee Kincaid brings that in. We need to stop funneling the ball to inefficient targets.

We're going to have competition for the trade... Is Beane finally ready to make an all-in move? Or do we languish in the 2nd tier of NFL teams for the rest of Allen's career?

Okay? Davis statistically drops the ball at a substantially higher rate and catches a lower percentage of his targets.

What is going on in this thread? Jeudy has better hands. He runs more routes effectively. He separates better. He is faster. He can play out of the slot more effectively. Literally the only thing Davis does better than him is run long developing vertical routes. As a pair they are a perfect #2/#3 match. Jeudy would give us so much formation versatility. He would keep the JAG trio of Harty/Sherfield/Shakir off the field. Other than his contract, what am I missing here?

Where is this narrative coming from? It is flat out objectively incorrect.

1st and 10 - false start 1st and 15 - Knox fails to reel in a vey catchable pass 2nd and 15 - shotgun draw for no gain No one is converting every 3rd and 15. That's crazy. The truth is Mahomes would not be put in that situation because his coaches wouldn't allow it. And I'm not excusing Allen's performance against the Jets, he royally sucked. But we had the ball first in OT, and a stupid play call plus poor fundamentals on special teams ended up killing our one chance to get an ugly win. It's a pattern. We have never won a game in OT under McDermott.

Here's an example of what I mean - imagine the Chiefs are down 2 scores in the 4th quarter. Mahomes leads a great TD drive and with 4 minutes left they kick off to the Jaguars. Does anyone here think that Jaguars drive ends with a 35 yard TD run putting the game out of reach? No chance. I guarantee the Chiefs get the ball back with plenty of time and end up pulling out the win, I've seen it a dozen times over the last few years. Why does our team always seem to fall apart in those critical moments?

The Chiefs are the KING of ugly wins. It's why they've been the #1 seed so often in recent years, they're not always dominant but they always find a way. The two teams we've lost to this year, the Chiefs had ugly wins against both of them. Mahomes was equal or worse than Allen in those games and they have less talent across the board on both sides of the ball compared to us IMO, but they still found a way to win them. It's almost uncanny how often they win games like that. And to me that represents a coaching gap between us and them.

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Jeudy drop %: 2022 - 5.0% 2023 - 4.2% Davis drop %: 2022 - 9.7% 2023 - 7.7% Jeudy has caught 70.8% of his targets this year which is better than Davis has ever done, with a much worse QB and with no elite WR1 taking attention away from him. Not comparable players at all IMO. He would be a perfect fit for our needs.

Pretty much.

One major issue I have with McDermott is his inability to have the team prepared for ugly wins. That is what separates the #1 seed from everyone else. So far we've gotten drawn into two ugly games against inferior opponents and could not find a way to get it done in either case. Blowing out teams is fun but not sustainable. How are we going to ever make it to the Super Bowl if we can't eke some ugly wins from time to time? It's a legitimate concern. Against the Jets, we had a dumb 2nd and 15 shotgun run in OT and then the punt team blew it. Against the Jags when the offense was finally figuring it out, the defense gave up a 50 yard TD run. The final hook and ladder play was a mess with zero chance of working. I feel like we see too many of these momentum swing plays that turn 50/50 games against us under this coaching staff. It may be the one thing that prevents us from ever winning a championship under this regime.

Yeah there is no excuse for an elite QB playing a great game leading to just 7 points over the first 52 minutes. It reminded me of the Bengals divisional game a bit, Dorsey was totally outclassed and had no answers. At some point McDermott has to he accountable for the offense too. A lot of us talk about offensive coaching as it's completely separate from him, but he is the head coach. I don't know if he needs to be more active in game planning or in making gametime adjustments or what, but we can't keep having several games every year where our offense falls totally flat on its face mainly due to coaching issues.

The Jags offense has not been good though. The Chiefs held them to 9 points, the Texans held them to 17 points, the Falcons held them to 23 points. None of those defenses are super talented. And honestly they were moving the ball all day against us. If not for a few exceptional individual plays from our front 4 players, the game would have been out of hand by the 4th quarter.

Jet lag gave our players a disadvantage, not our coaches. I will cut the defense some slack because they lost players, the offense though has no excuse.