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Right so now you've gone and changed your answer to make your argument better. Because originally I gave you the option of ranking your choices and you put one option above Allen for Mahomes. Now I'm giving you the option of making all available switches and you're saying you'd take Allen for Mahomes over that option. Which if you evaluate that logic for half a second, you'll recognize the problem.

I just don't agree that Mahomes throwing to our group of weapons against the KC defense would be able to score 3 consecutive TD drives. That's what Allen had to do to keep us in the game. Mahomes couldn't do that against the 49ers defense with his full (and better) offensive supporting cast available. His play from yesterday's first 3 quarters would have had us blown out by KC. If you don't agree with that we'll just agree to disagree I guess.

This is the crux of my frustration, and I'm guessing the same is true of many other Bills fans. Allen is the only QB in the league that regularly matches Mahomes' intensity in the playoffs. They both have an uncanny ability to turn it on in sudden death games. The only reason that Mahomes has been rewarded more than Allen for raising his play in the playoffs is that he has had the luxury of other players and coaches also raising their play in the playoffs. Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, Chris Jones, L'Jarius Sneed. He's always had at least 2 players on his team that have went above and beyond in the playoffs. Ditto for his coaches. When has Allen had that luxury? Never. The first time he does I believe we will win a Super Bowl. But the current coaching staff and front office have not shown that they are capable of giving him that luxury so I remain pessimistic.

I was leading up to a point. I'm not going to debate your choices. So now imagine you had the option of switching all of those players except for Allen for Mahomes, or just switching Allen for Mahomes. Clearly you would take switching all of those players, yes? Which means you've already accepted that Allen vs Mahomes was not the driving force of that result, that the surrounding context was. So you already agree with me.

You don't see evidence that Mahomes would lead his team to a game-tying FG sending the game into OT? Perhaps while in fact missing a read that would have been a game winning TD in regulation? As evidence I submit the exact scenario that happened about two hours ago.

Here's another one for you. Let me know if you disagree with any of these statements. In that divisional round, the following groups performed better for the listed team: RB - Wash WR - Chiefs TE - Chiefs OL - Chiefs (slight lean, if you want to call it a wash I won't argue) DL - Chiefs LB - Chiefs Secondary - Chiefs Special teams - Chiefs Coaching - Chiefs Are we on the same page here? I'll assume we are with maybe one or two groups switching to a wash. So help me out here - Assume you're correct that the Chiefs QB also outplayed the Bills QB. How is it that a team where just about every possible factor was better than their opponent, and their opponent had no such advantages, only won by 3 points? That seems impossible. Unless of course their opponent did have an advantage somewhere, perhaps at the most important position on the team? Lol of course that isn't a homer opinion. That is a plain fact.

I don't believe Mahomes would have scored enough times to have us in that position to begin with. Allen playing at his very best is better than Mahomes. For like 3.5 quarters Allen was at his very best in that game, and that's the only reason we even had a chance at the end. The kind of adversity Mahomes faced tonight in the 1st 3 quarters, that's what Allen was up against in the divisional round. Unlike Mahomes he kept finding a way to will his offense down the field and put points on the board. So no if anything I think switching Allen for Mahomes in that game leads to a worse outcome for us.

Here's a question and I'm genuinely curious to hear your answer. In our playoff game against the Chiefs from this year, pretend you have the option of making one of these trades: Allen for Mahomes Kincaid for Kelce Oliver for Jones Klein for Bolton In order from most impactful to least impactful how would you rank them? Here's mine: 1) Kincaid for Kelce 2) Oliver for Jones 3) Klein for Bolton 4) Allen for Mahomes Personally I believe if you switched either of the first 2 we would have won. I'm inclined to say the same about #3 but not quite as sure. #4 I 100% believe makes no difference if everything else remains the same.

Any time he doesn't have a perfectly clean pocket the ball either falls short of its destination or sails way over the receiver's head. Only one time in this game where I can remember him making a sort of off platform throw that was completed. You just can't win in the modern NFL without that ability and with a below average arm. And the 49ers OL is below average from the LG down so the Chiefs got Purdy off his spot more than a dozen times. Every time they did, they won the play. Tough to run an offense under those conditions, although I agree Shanahan should have leaned on McCaffrey more.

Reid is the best offensive mind in the NFL. Maybe with 20 more years of experience Shanahan could eclipse him. I have some level of grace for Shanahan in this game. Purdy is a very limited QB. He can't drive throws for the life of him and he can't make plays in messy pockets. His skillset just makes it so difficult to put the defense in conflict even with all of those skill players. Early in the game KC was shutting down the run and Purdy never gave them a reason to back off. There are spots where I can be critical of Shanahan's plan, but mostly I just see this as another case of him being let down by an underwhelming QB. He just can't get the position figured out. It's his curse.

Agreed, he was fantastic at the end. Didn't make any spectacular plays, but made every play that was there to be had and that was enough. And I don't want to undersell that simply making the necessary plays at the end is a real skill that most players can't execute consistently. Still I would give the bulk of this win to the Chiefs defense and special teams over the offense. An underrated series was after Mahomes threw a bad INT at midfield the Chiefs defense forced a 3 and out and a punt. Stuff like that is really what separates them from the rest of the league. Of course if the 49ers simply kick the XP or don't screw up a punt return none of that matters...

If you don't agree that Allen had a better game against the Eagles and Chiefs in the playoffs than Mahomes did tonight, I don't believe you. And 100% for sure if Allen played like Mahomes did in the first 3 quarters tonight, we would have been blown out by the 49ers. And that's not unique to Allen. Most teams can't get away with scoring 3 points or less in a half against two different playoff opponents and win both of them.

...we would have lost. End of conversation. I know this because he played a better game in at least 2 games this year that the Bills still lost. Hopefully one day we'll have the coaching staff and the players around him to get a single Lombardi. I'm past the point of rooting for multiples. Just give me one in the Allen era please.

He has been surrounded by elite players that make clutch plays, and elite coaches, on both sides of the ball. He also did not play especially well in this game. And that's fine. QBs are allowed to play below their highest standard and still win games against great opponents. At least some QBs are. Seriously if anyone's takeaway from this game is "Mahomes just finds a way to get it done" I have about zero respect for your football opinion. Please use your eyes. Disclaimer: None of this is meant to take away from the greatness that is Mahomes. He is one of the best QBs I've ever watched.

He played about as well as his athletic profile could allow for, but still not good enough ultimately. He doesn't have a playmaking bone in his body.

Here we go folks. It's starting. Everybody is going to spend the next 8 months ignoring what they watched with their own eyes and boil it all down to one player.

They literally did stop him for most of the game?? What do you want the 49ers to have even more weapons than they already do? I mean they picked off Mahomes at midfield in an all time stupid throw. 100% guaranteed if it were the Bills the 49ers would have scored a TD and everyone would say "that one's on Allen." Instead the Chiefs defense held them to 0 points. That's why they just won another Super Bowl.

Sure. Also best coach, best defensive player, best pass catcher, best OL in the game. Chiefs are stacked at every level top to bottom.

How is that the takeaway? The Chiefs defense won them this game.

49ers made it way too easy on their final 2 defensive drives. Wilks tucked his tail between his legs and lost the game.

Boss is playing contain. It's not his fault, it's the gameplan.

If you're gonna give up so much free access, 100% of the time Andy Reid will just have his pass catchers run 6 yards and turn around. Over and over again. I hate that teams let them get away with it.

Hate defensive play calls like that, so soft. Gave up a free 9 yards of space.

Haha wow that is a laughable mistake

No player is as important as the elite QB. But I'll phrase your point like this - the difference between Chris Jones and the best defensive lineman on the Bills is the biggest difference between our teams over the past few years. If I had a choice between replacing Allen for Mahomes or replacing Oliver for Jones, it's a no-brainer.