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Yeah imagine if we had an offense that scored TDs on 12 out of 16 drives in the playoffs. Surely that offense would make it past the divisional round. No way the defense could spoil such an impossibly great performance.

I wouldn't re-sign him next offseason unless he gives us a big hometown discount. Nothing to do with Spencer Brown the player, we just don't have the luxury of giving big contracts out to non-premium positions like RT while paying a franchise QB contract. Keep drafting RTs in rounds 2-7 and always have a pipeline of young talent there. I worry Beane will feel the need to extend him to highlight him as a draft success.

Yards per play given up in each of our last 5 playoff losses (kneeldowns excluded): Chiefs 2024 - 8.5 Bengals 2023 - 6.0 Chiefs 2022 - 7.6 Chiefs 2021 - 7.4 Texans 2020 - 5.6 As a point of reference, the worst defense in the league this gave up 6.0 yards per play. Our best effort on here, 5.6 yards per play, would have ranked 27th. So there are two possibilities to finally break through in the playoffs. Either our defense stops giving up historically bad yards per play, or we build up our offensive supporting cast so that it can consistently produce historically great yards per play. It's very hard to win games when your yards per play differential is negative.

Also I want to mention I'm not discrediting how great Mahomes is at all. He is still the most responsible individual in the Chiefs organization for their results over the past 5 years. I just hate that in these conversations of Allen vs Mahomes it always comes down to Mahomes' Super Bowls. Like I said before, I get it. It is hard to break down results to more than just the result. But looking at the Chiefs and Bills over the past three seasons, I think it is plainly obvious that the QBs have been about equal while the totality of other players and coaches heavily favors the Chiefs. Do you believe Mahomes in last year's playoffs performed measurably better (not even in statistics, just in general his actual play on the field) than Allen did in the 2022 or this year's playoffs? Do you believe the Bills would beat the Joe Burrow Bengals if Allen at any point in the game led his offense to 4 consecutive drives with just 3 total points scored (which came off of a short field) one of which ended in a turnover at midfield?

What hypothetical did I make up? The exact game scripts that I pulled for the Chiefs playoff run last year? Those aren't hypotheticals. They really happened. I think if people are honest with themselves they'll admit that those exact game scripts performed by Allen on the Bills would lead to a loss in at least one of those three games. So what separates the QBs in terms of their legacy and accolades is not just QB play. It is mostly to do with the situations around them. I find it weird that I get any pushback on this concept. Everybody here knows QBs are responsible for at most 50% of the game's outcome, right? So when you're talking about an elite QB versus a replacement level QB the elite QB will almost always win. But elite versus elite, it comes down to every other factor.

I'll admit it's hard to objectively evaluate head coaches. It's not like players where there are clear stats to look at, and it can be hard to differentiate between when a play fails because of a player versus when a play fails because of a coach. Still I try to take the individual components into account when I evaluate McDermott. I don't think he is a bad coach, I just question if he is a top 5 coach which is likely what you need to win a Super Bowl.

And yet you inadvertently agreed with my point about the single game QB production, and haven't tried to dispute anything else I said in that post. I get it. Most people are results-based thinkers. It takes a lot of brain power to look beyond the final result and evaluate the individual components.

For sure. My point is that if he was on the Bills it wouldn't matter. Which is what the conversation was about...

See the difference between you and me is I watch the games. So I watched Mahomes' surrounding cast maximize every play he made in that Super Bowl. His 182 passing yards is exactly what he earned as a player. Allen meanwhile lost, what, 100 yards and likely a TD on just the three dropped deep passes. But also you just made my point for me... Allen plays with his hair on fire, but the exact production that Mahomes won a Super Bowl with was not enough for Allen to advance past the divisional round. Think about that. You're well on your way to understanding that team accomplishments do not equate to QB accomplishments.

So when I said three years of that situation I meant three years... But okay thanks for acknowledging that Allen would win 1 Super Bowl with three years of arguably the greatest surrounding cast that a QB has ever had. I don't know why you ever doubted this to begin with. Hell let's look at just last year. Imagine if in the wildcard round Allen missed 20% of snaps to injury. Is it likely our journey ends there? I would say so. But let's say somehow the team gets through it and wins. The next week against the Bengals in the AFCCG Allen leads the Bills to just 23 points. In crunch time he inexplicably fumbles the ball at midfield and the Bengals take over with a chance to win. In fact on his final 4 drives Allen leads his team to just 3 points, which is aided by a drive starting at the 50 and a roughing the passer penalty. But for argument's sake, the Bills somehow win. Now we're in the Super Bowl against the best team in the league. Allen throws for just 182 yards, adding another 44 on the ground. Be honest - do you think if everything I just described happened in the exact same manner but to Allen and the Bills instead of Mahomes and the Chiefs, would the Bills have won a Super Bowl last year? Personally I don't think they would have made it out of the wildcard round and certainly not the divisional round. Outcomes are relative. Individual performances are not.

You don't think Allen with three seasons of the GOAT pass catching TE, the GOAT vertical WR, the GOAT offensive coach, and the best defensive coordinator in the league, would win a Super Bowl in that time frame? You might as well just say Allen will never win a Super Bowl. I honestly think any top 12ish QB would have a very strong chance of winning one Super Bowl in that situation.

Zero WRs drafted on day one or two with an elite QB in his prime. Exactly one big time move to add an impact WR in four years. That is outright malpractice by the Bills. We wasted the cheapest years of Allen's extension on overpaid defensive linemen and now we have just one capable outside WR on the roster. They have to double dip at the position in the draft. Two WRs between rounds 1 and 4, non-negotiable. That will at least be a start in making up for a giant mistake.

Beane may have slipped up in his postseason presser: I hope this is not true and that Beane merely misspoke. I hope Brady is not getting handed the job without any kind of objective external interview process, even though I think he did a lot of good things.

I want an experienced play caller. That's been my desire going to back to the 2022 offseason when we hired Dorsey, and I was not a fan of that hire for that reason. That being said it is not realistic to only interview experienced play callers. There are simply not too many of them that are worth interviewing that don't already have jobs. But there are people like Ben Johnson and Bobby Slowik and Shane Steichen who had never called plays but found immediate success in year one as OCs. So it is possible to find a home run from that pool of candidates.

Different conversation from the Rooney Rule, but I for one will not be satisfied if the entire interview process amounts to just Thad Lewis and Joe Brady. We have an elite QB in the prime of his career. Any offensive coach looking to take a step up in their career should be pounding on our door. Run a full and extensive interview process, approach each candidate with complete objectivity, and hire the best one. If that's Brady, so be it. Part of me wonders if Dorsey getting fired will make some potential candidates hesistant. You're choosing to work with a defensive head coach who has a history of not spending ample resources on the offense, and one OC already got the axe after leading a productive offense. I think most NFL coaches are arrogant enough about their own abilities to look past that, but it's something to consider.

Ironically, this common reaction is evidence of why the Rooney Rule needs to exist.

No doubt.

If Allen played the way he does in the playoffs all the time he would have a short lived career. The irritating thing is that he has to play that way at all, because the weapons around him aren't good enough.

It isn't unfortunate for Thad Lewis, who gets much needed interview experience with one of the best organizations in the league. Maybe he surprises us and we peg him for future jobs. Things change very quickly in the NFL. I am a proponent of interviewing as many qualified candidates as possible since there is nothing to lose.

1) Allen/Mahomes 3) Jackson/Burrow 5) Stafford 6) Herbert 7) Stroud 8)) Prescott/Love 10) Cousins The rankings with 2 QBs I couldn't see enough of a gap between them to separate the two. If I took injury history into account I would have Burrow all the way down at #6 but I just went based on pure abilities.

I think on reflection I would prefer to move on from Brady. It's nothing he did specifically. I just still see an overall lack of crispness in the finer details of the offense and that's what separates champions from divisional round losers. The routes aren't precise in a way that opens up other routes, the players aren't always on the same page, there appears to be an overall lack of accountability. I think Brady is a perfectly fine play designer and play caller. But I want a true coach at the position. Someone that the players respect and fear. Brady is probably too young to have that kind of reputation amongst 20-something multimillionaires. He still has his dues to pay in the league. So for me I think my preference is Eric Bieniemy. He has a reputation that players don't enjoy working for him. I take that as a positive. He isn't afraid to hold anybody accountable, not even Mahomes when he was in KC. That more than an offensive whiz kid is what I think this offense needs to be more consistent on a week to week basis. He learned under the best of the best and for a time was even making Sam Howell look competent. He is a complete 180 from the coaching styles of Dorsey and Brady... maybe that's just what we need.

Well we had stopped them on the previous drive, twice actually because of an incorrect DPI call. McDermott had finally figured out (too late) that Siran Neal needed to be on Kelce and Dorian Williams needed to be on the field. We had found a combination that at least had the capability of stopping them. It is just a lot to ask of the offense. It's hard enough to score TDs against an elite defense in the playoffs. Asking them to do it within a certain amount of time remaining on the clock is not fair. And FWIW the Chiefs were not giving up easy dink and dunk on the previous several drives, they were calling run blitzes and sitting on short routes. End of the day we had an opportunity for a TD and took it. I can't fault anyone for that decision.

Yeah, what about a totally different throw in a totally different situation. Good point.

Seemingly a lot of people on here don't understand what a QB's job is on any given play. They think QBs are playing Madden and have a top down view of the field. If anyone thinks he was supposed to throw to Diggs right away they are flat out wrong. That part of it is not even up for debate.

Allen had 4 game winning drives this year (should have been more but whatever). He has 19 in his career. Mahomes had 2 game winning drives this year. He has 16 in his career. Can't wait to see how you try and talk yourself out of this one.