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That was a good defensive call. Blitz to force the quick throw and cover the likely hot read.

Yeah Budda Baker was robbing that route. I understand why Josh wanted no part of that. He needed to get out of there sooner or throw it away.

Sigh he needed to get out of that pocket sooner if no one was open

Pass rush nowhere to be found... It's going to be a long season.

Not a bad thing. Our run offense versus their run defense is a big advantage compared to the opposite. I doubt we'll be launching any bombs either. Only thing this could affect for us is kicking.

We are going light at LB today. Interesting.

Probably not a great sign that Chase is the one deciding if he's "too sick" to play or not. Hopefully he continues to feel "too sick" indefinitely. Classic Mike Brown trainwreck.

I'm expecting a run heavy game plan today. From Joe Marino: https://open.substack.com/pub/herdmentality1960/p/buffalo-bills-vs-arizona-cardinals?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=mzxwc

That's crazy man. My SSN is 716-17-2024 and my mother's maiden name is McClappy.

Well yeah it's plainly obvious that Beane had no 1st round grades left when our pick came up. Or else he would have made a pick. But I don't know why some are using this point as a gotcha? The widespread belief of draftniks was that after Brian Thomas the rest of the WRs were borderline 1st/2nd round talents at best. Beane didn't go off the reservation when he intentionally made his way into the 2nd round before making his pick. His evaluation was the consensus evaluation. The Chiefs on the other hand obviously graded Worthy as a true 1st round talent. If Beane misevaluated he'll be judged for it but we won't know that answer for a while. Okay. I'll predict that this doesn't happen.

No, it really doesn't support that view. Because scoring a TD on a miscommunication/blown coverage has nothing to do with being the fastest person in combine history. Now on the first TD of course his speed was a factor. But you don't draft WRs in the 1st round to score on well blocked reverses. You draft them there to consistently win against coverage and produce at a high level. Many fast WRs throughout the league would have scored there too. It is still a great play, the elite speed showed up, but it gives us no new information to evaluate whether the player is a 1st round talent or not. To make this point obvious, imagine if for the rest of Worthy's career he produces almost exclusively on reverses and blown coverages. Think the Chiefs or anyone will give him a huge extension? Obviously not. In that scenario his career ceiling is Mecole Hardman.

I have no issues investing in the OL. I do have an issue paying a solid but unspectactular RT the market rate which ties up finite cap dollars that could be used on more important players. That's all I'm saying.

Fair question but I really just look at these things in the context of the Bills. Because every team is at a different point in their life cycle. For us we have an elite QB who is way underpaid relative to his peers and we are going to need to bring his AAV up to the current NFL standard within the next two offseasons. We have been playing with house money the last couple years and haven't really taken advantage of it. That advantage is about to end. Soon we'll have a decision to make about Rousseau who IMO is more valuable than Brown, we also have Shakir and Bernard coming up before too long. So in that context our cap position is not going to look as favorable in the future as it appears right now. Every draft pick and cap dollar spent in the NFL represents some sort of trade off. When you're paying an elite QB you have to pick your investments. Personally I don't think a solid RT at the market rate is a good investment in that context. My bet is that at some point in the future there will be a possible free agent or trade candidate that could make a real difference for the team, and we won't be able to afford him because of moves like this one. Just like we couldn't afford Hopkins because of similar moves made in the past few years.

Oh for sure it is. If the plan was to extend him no matter what, doing it now is better than doing it next year. I agree with that. But I would have let him walk in free agency, saved the cap dollars for something more important, and accepted the likely 3rd round comp pick. This has nothing to do with my feelings about Spencer Brown by the way. I was defending him last offseason when a lot of the fanbase was saying he's a terrible RT and that we needed to draft Darnell Wright if he was available at our 1st round pick. I like the player. I don't like spending a lot of money on the position when we're going to be tight against the cap in future years and we have a good stable of possible replacements waiting in the wings.

Okay but next time a DeAndre Hopkins becomes available and someone on here tells me it would be impossible to fit his contract in, I'm going to point to Spencer Brown's contract.

Everyone agrees a big problem with our team is we don't have enough true game changers. Brown has been a good to very good RT for us but he is not a game changer. That's where my issue lies. We're taking money that could be spent on a real game changer and giving it to merely a solid player instead, plus we probably could have gotten a 3rd round comp pick back if he walked in FA next year. Every investment is a trade off and I'm not convinced in this case the trade off is worth it.

I had a feeling this would happen, Beane wants to get a win for his draft class, but IMO it's a mistake. We have a decent stable of tackles behind Brown and RT just isn't that difficult a position to fill. I was hoping we would save our limited cap dollars for a legit WR next year. Oh well. Since the numbers aren't out I would guess it's a pretty team friendly team, just not what I would have done.

100% fair. Of course I believe the Chiefs are several steps ahead of us in multiple facets. I'm not sure draft evaluation is one of them, or if it is it's not by much. The three Hall of Fame talents on their team were drafted by John Dorsey, not Veach. He's had some downright terrible picks over the years like every GM does. Even at WR I would describe his use of draft picks as middling. The difference between him and Beane is he has taken a lot more shots and naturally over time that is going to lead to more hits.

@GoBills808 this is an example of what I mean. Many people in this thread admitting out loud their biggest problem with the trade is that it brings negative media attention or "looks bad." That is at the bottom of my list of factors in how I evaluate the trade.

Not at all. Every time Worthy does anything valuable for the Chiefs until the end of time there will be chatter among Bills fans. I just don't care and I'm glad Beane didn't either. Of course if Worthy turns into a very good WR and Coleman sucks than we can have a conversation about Beane's inability to properly scout the players. But we're really not even close to that point yet.

I knew it would be looked at unfavorably. I just don't care about perception at all. I'll stand by my pre-draft take - I thought outside of the top three WRs, the best of the rest were all 2nd round talents and the most favorable outcome was to trade down into the 2nd to recoup our 3rd and then take the best WR available there. The fact that the Chiefs were the ones who called wouldn't have changed my thinking at all.