HappyDays

It kind of has been broken the past two games though. I know we're all happy with the wins but the look of the offense is not what it was when we went on that incredible multi-game streak after adding Cooper, culminating in 40+ points against the Rams and Lions. It seems like defenses have caught on and are taking away a lot of the easy button throws that our offense was running through. Shakir has been the primary victim of this, only getting 47 yards combined over the past two games. The solution is to start beating defenses over the top until they're frightened enough to back off, and then all the underneath stuff will open up again. We added Cooper specifically for that purpose, we might as well use him accordingly.

No, I mean what I said - less than elite. As in he has the best EPA in the NFL and does not have such a ridiculously good supporting cast that we should wonder if the EPA is inflated by other factors. I think it's more than fair to agree that his EPA actually represents his own value to the team. And in fact my opinion is that his supporting cast deflates his EPA slightly, but if you don't agree with that it's fine, it's not overly relevant to this conversation. So I again will affirm that Allen has the best statistical case in the NFL. Do I think MVP voters actually look at EPA? Probably not for most of them. I'm just talking about the actual definition of MVP and why I think Allen fits that definition.

I have no clue how voters look at it because the conversation is constantly changing to accommodate the narrative du jour. I do know that CPOE is not even part of the conversation because it doesn't measure QB value. If EPA isn't the one stat that measures value better than any, then I don't know what is. And I'm not saying EPA alone ends the debate. If for example Jalen Hurts led the NFL in EPA I would say well lets take into account the context of the situation around him because it's almost absurd how good it is. But with Allen he leads the NFL in EPA, AND has a less than elite supporting cast even under the most generous interpretation, AND has more wins than his MVP competition. To me those factors combined close the case. And I don't have to be "hyper specific" to come to that conclusion.

@VW82 since you're clearly a connoisseur of NFL ELO I'll also point out that Allen leads the NFL in total WPA and WPA per play. CPOE is clearly the least meaningful of those advanced stats.

Why would CPOE matter in the MVP conversation? It doesn't calculate value at all. A QB making safe efficient throws all game would be at a disadvantage compared to, for example, a QB throwing prayers up to AJ Brown all game. Even though the 1st QB has the harder job and the less sustainable offense. EPA literally tells you how much value a QB is adding to the scoreboard. The other QBs in the conversation are Jackson and Burrow, and you're not going to convince anyone Allen hasn't been working with less than either of them. I remember before the season when most people said Allen wouldn't be able to produce with his diminished set of weapons and that if he could he would be the MVP for sure. Now it's week 17 and that narrative has mysteriously disappeared.

He leads the NFL in total EPA and EPA per play. EPA is the definition of "valuable." So he in fact has the strongest statistical case out of all of them. He's of course doing this with the weakest set of weapons compared to any other QB in the conversation.

I would prefer to play the Broncos over them but they're still a much better option than the Bengals IMO. They would have to play in what is likely to be extreme cold, and we know how much that hinders them, plus we would have the psychological advantage of being the team they can never get past. I worry a bit that they could turn it into a shootout like they did in our last game, but ultimately we would have a lot of factors in our favor. But let's hope Denver beats KC's backups next week and we get the most favorable path.

Funny enough that Davis Mills game was also against the Bills. We beat Houston 40-0.

We haven't made it a point to find WRs that can make those plays, which is really disappointing with a QB with Allen's skill set and talent. Drafting Coleman was a step in the right direction but he has a lot to prove still. Trading for Cooper was finally an admission that what they had wasn't good enough. Keep adding to the room next year. Make it so that we can make those plays every week, not once in a career. And I'd like to see Brady call more of those deep shots to Cooper and even Coleman. Moving the ball a few yards at a time can be efficient but also difficult to sustain. We need more explosive plays. Cooper has made a late stage career off those types of catches. Make them a key feature of the offense.

That Cooper TD catch is something I see other offenses get on a weekly basis but never us. Allen finally has a WR he can rely on downfield. Hopefully we can re-sign him to a mid-tier deal.

Let's get a random depth player a receiving TD next week to get the record. Run the Philly special to Trubisky.

It's revolting but I'll root for Miami to win today. Anyone but the Bengals is still the goal.

MVP Cooper Rousseau Oliver

He needs to take exactly one snap, the first one, to keep his iron man streak alive

Yeah. When I saw Josh make a special throw to cement his MVP award it didn't cross my mind that I wish he was better on jump ball throws. I just enjoyed the moment.

Nobody "perfects" anything but it's not something he's needed to work on. This is the first year he's had a couple legit jump ball WRs, lo and behold there have been a few jump ball catches. He didn't develop the skill out of the blue in this game. I thought your original comment was weird and out of place, but that's alright.

Because I've seen him throw enough of them even though his intended WR couldn't come down with them

When has he ever had the opportunity to throw them? CFL legend Duke Williams?

Fans at the stadium cheering on Tyrod. Honestly that's a cool moment. And the Jets should have switched to him weeks ago.

I hope Robert Saleh is watching this game laughing his ass off

Nevermind Allen isn't MVP, his backup just scored a TD

He's always thrown jump balls to the perfect spot. He just hasn't had jump ball WRs until this year.

He is nothing but a raw ball of clay right now. He needs reps and time.

Great catch but even more ridiculous was that throw. Layering it over an underneath defender off your back foot throwing it back across your body, plus the vision to see it all in real time... MVP and it's not close