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Are Fan Expectations Too High for Keon Coleman?
HappyDays replied to JohnNord's topic in The Stadium Wall
If nothing else Keon has clearly put the work in this offseason. -
I can't make heads or tails of it. Some of the other CBs that were honorable mentions or got at least 1 vote: Jalen Ramsey L'Jarius Sneed Charvarius Ward DJ Reed Carlton Davis Joey Porter Jr Tariq Woolen Marshon Lattimore Alontae Taylor I feel like I'm losing my mind. To me Benford is at least one tier above each of those names, if not multiple tiers, but the NFL doesn't even see him as in the conversation with those players??
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Not only is Benford not on the list, he got zero votes. 1) Pat Surtain 2) Derek Stingley 3) Denzel Ward 4) Trent McDuffie 5) Sauce Gardner 6) Christian Gonzalez 7) Jaycee Horn 8 ) Jaylon Johnson 9) Quinyon Mitchell 10) Devon Witherspoon Then there's about 20 players mentioned as honorable mentions or receiving at least one vote. Taron Johnson is listed as getting a vote. But no Benford. He's way underappreciated by the league IMO.
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It's Sauce Gardner's turn. Extended through 2030, $120 Million.
HappyDays replied to Draconator's topic in The Stadium Wall
Right, so like I said we did not have a Wilson or Gardner caliber of player to be traded. -
It's Sauce Gardner's turn. Extended through 2030, $120 Million.
HappyDays replied to Draconator's topic in The Stadium Wall
We didn't have any players at the level of Wilson or Gardner when McBeane came to town. If we had, we wouldn't have traded them either. Those are both franchise cornerstone players at premium positions and the Jets would be crazy not to keep them around for the rebuild. -
NFL Executives poll: Allen ranked #2 QB in NFL
HappyDays replied to Einstein's topic in The Stadium Wall
Just to be clear though, it isn't just Mahomes' statistics that have been down. It's his on-field performance. There's a reason that the other 3 top tier QBs all got into the MVP conversation last year, while the QB of a 15-1 team wasn't even mentioned, and it's not because of Mahomes fatigue. He just very plainly hasn't been playing at that level the past two seasons. And the counterargument seems to be that you can just cancel all of that out because his team has won championships. Which I get but that's not how a neutral evaluator would rank QBs. I'm not aware of anyone that studies film and/or analytics that has Mahomes ranked as the #1 QB solely based on on-field performance over the past 1-2 seasons. At the end of the day it's all splitting hairs, right? Everyone knows the top 4 QBs could turn pretty much any team in the league into a Super Bowl contender. The individual difference between those 4 is not going to be as important as the difference between their respective teams. That's the point of putting QBs into tiers - the tier grouping tells you more about how they impact the team's success than the individual ranking. -
You're arguing against your own point here... Having an elite WR helps whatever QB they draft to be their future become the best version of himself. There's no sense in waiting when the WR market is only going to get more expensive.
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So if next year they draft a QB what's the plan?
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If you take that idea to its logical extreme, you might as well say that no investments are worth making until you have your franchise QB. That of course would be a ridiculous philosophy for a team to take. When you find your franchise QB you want the team around him to already be in good shape. There's nothing to criticize the Jets for with this extension. They signed a great player to a market value deal.
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I'm surprised Stroud didn't make that top 10. I think the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction on him. His 2nd year was a step back from his 1st, but people are being a bit too unfair and reactionary. He had horrid pass protection all year and his pass catchers were decimated by injuries. Like if you put Hurts in that situation I don't think it looks any better and for my money it would look significantly worse.
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