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Drew Brees has a face scar from a birthmark removal. The determination to live with that scar is obviously what pushed him to the top of the QB heap. AJ obviously will use that scar on his face to the same effect. Obviously. It's obvious.

I don't disagree, it really depends on Webb and Eli and how they feel about them. Eli has what? 2-3 years on his contract? They might ride him out and see. I highly doubt they will move on from Eli after this year, which means that Rosen isn't smart for them. Even darnold isn't gonna sit TWO years. The only QB who makes sense for them to sit for 2+ is Allen, and even then, I dont think they go QB @2. I just don't see it.

Really depends on what the coach thinks about Webb. He loved him coming outta college I believe, so he might ride with him and see what happens.

Bruh. Srsly!? Did you really just say that it would take: #12 + #22 + both our second round picks and next year's first to get: #1 AND #4 THIS YEAR? That package probably wouldn't even get us #4, let alone #1 & #4... ??

His contract was a freaking disaster. I can't believe anybody took him on.

Laces out Dan!!

Thor. Then I could play QB myself, then play linebacker and smash Brady with my hammer.

I know prissy, I was making a joke. Here is a wall of text I copied from an article online. It is good info from last year's QB tests. here are the present Super Bowl winning quarterbacks currently active in the NFL and their Wonderlic scores: Eli Manning 39 Aaron Rodgers 35 Tom Brady 33 Drew Brees 28 Russell Wilson 28 Joe Flacco 27 Ben Roethlisberger 25 This means the average Super Bowl winning quarterback scored a 30.7. (That’s not counting Brady’s 33 five times or Eli Manning’s 39 twice either. If you did that the average score bumps up to 32.3) That’s statistically significant. How did this year’s 2017 quarterback prospects score? Brad Kaaya 34 Nathan Peterman 33 Trevor Knight 30 Josh Dobbs 29 Deshone Kizer 28 CJ Beathard 26 Mitch Trubisky 25 Davis Webb 25 Patrick Mahomes 24 Chad Kelly 22 Jerod Evans 21 Deshaun Watson 20 … And how have current or recent NFL draft picks at quarterback scored? (Super Bowl winning quarterbacks are in bold). Ryan Fitzpatrick, Harvard 48 Blaine Gabbert, Missouri 42 Alex Smith, Utah 40 Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 40 Eli Manning, Ole Miss 39 Matthew Stafford, Georgia 38 Tony Romo, Eastern Illinois 37 Andrew Luck, Stanford 37 Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 37 Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36 Jared Goff, Cal 36 Aaron Rodgers, Cal 35 Matt Leinart, USC 35 Christian Ponder, FSU 35 Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M 34 Tom Brady, Michigan 33 Steve Young, BYU 33 Marcus Mariota, Oregon 33 Matt Ryan, Boston College 32 Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M 32 Philip Rivers, N.C. State 30 John Elway, Stanford 29 Andy Dalton, TCU 29 Peyton Manning, Tennessee 28 Drew Brees, Purdue 28 Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 28 E.J. Manuel, FSU 28 Blake Bortles, Central Florida 28 Joe Flacco, Delaware 27 Jameis Winston, Florida State 27 Josh Freeman, Kansas State 27 Mike Glennon, N.C. State 26 Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt 26 Carson Palmer, USC 26 Ryan Mallet, Arkansas 26 Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (Ohio) 25 Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 25 Brock Osweiler, Colorado State 25 Robert Griffin III, Baylor 24 Geno Smith, West Virginia 24 JaMarcus Russell, LSU 24 Bret Favre, Southern Miss 22 Tim Tebow, Florida 22 Tim Couch, Kentucky 22 AJ McCarron, Alabama 22 Cam Newton, Auburn 21 Derek Carr, Fresno State 20 Jake Locker, Washington 20 Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville 20 Mike Vick, Virginia Tech 20 Terry Bradshaw, Louisiana Tech 16 Heath Shuler, Tennessee 16 Dan Marino, Pittsburgh 16 Donovan McNabb, Syracuse 15 Jim Kelly, Miami 15 Vince Young, Texas 6 (although he reportedly retook it and scored a 15) … As you can see above Bradshaw, Marino, McNabb and Kelly all had successful NFL careers despite posting low Wonderlic scores. These quarterbacks are frequently cited to prove the Wonderlic doesn’t matter at all. But when you view their scores in context they seem to be statistical aberrations. In particular, McNabb is the only player drafted in the past twenty years who has posted a poor Wonderlic score and had a long NFL career as a starting quarterback. And who knows what explains their low scores? Were they not prepared? Did they not care about taking the test? We simply don’t know. But it’s certainly not a legitimate argument to point to these guys as successes and say their success invalidates the test. Like the forty, the bench press, the shuttle and height measurements, the Wonderlic is simply a tool utilized to standardize quarterback comparison off the field itself. Of course the Wonderlic isn’t perfect, but neither is putting football players in their underwear and having them do a variety of physical tests. The truth is this, there is no dispositive test that proves what will make a successful quarterback in the NFL. But the fact that Cam Newton and Derek Carr are the only successful NFL quarterbacks in the league right now with Wonderlic scores below 25 seems like a pretty significant data point to consider if you’re drafting a quarterback. Scoring high doesn’t guarantee you’re going to be a Super Bowl winner — hello, Ryan Fitzpatrick — but scoring low does make it significantly more likely that you won’t be one.

Right. Unless they want Darnold, and are trying to make browns not take him first

48 Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard QB 48 Greg McElroy Alabama QB 43 Jason Maas Oregon QB 42 Blaine Gabbert Missouri QB 42 Drew Henson Michigan QB Top 5 ever scores for QBs. Yeah. That's an all time great QB list, huh?

I would criticize them solely on the fact that it's their job to scout and draft, and they made an error, but I would also bow down and eat crow yo the guys saying they should draft one of them.

Not Bucky or Jerry. I don't jump ship when things aren't going great. I'll not a frontrunner. I've been rooting for the Bills since I was in kindergarten, through thick and thin, and want them to win. I guess we should censor all dissenting and negatives opinions regarding the team, right? We should only allow positive and happy thoughts, right? Anybody unhappy with the team, and it's decisions, should just leave, right? You're a jackass**.

Excuse me? I didn't know I had to be "100% positive" about a franchise that hasn't had a QB worth a sh*t since Ronald Reagan was in office. You asked a question, to which I answered, and the answer has 3 decades of evidence to support it.

Nope. I wouldn't trust our franchise to develop/"grow" a freaking Chia pet, let alone a QB.

(I liked the post because I agree, not because I'm glad that happened, always sad to hear about that)

And? Carr graded as a first round pick and had a cannon coming out of college. Rudolph isn't even close to his arm talent.

Can this bullshi*t stop? Please? There is no way he is drafted at #12. If he is, Beane should be fired and banned from the NFL.

DO IT

Depends on what happened, obviously. They won't suspend him if it comes back from free and just is mental breakdown.

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Agreed. I'm hoping for more information on it. What if it's a combination of both? What if he had undiagnosed mental illness, and some form of recreational drug triggered it into overdrive? Seeing the video, I'm going to say it comes down to 3 things: 1) bad reaction to drug use alone. In this case, I think the Bills should handle it as they see fit, maybe give the guy one more zero tolerance chance, and help him if it's a rehab situation, he's young and mistakes happen, but give him a very short leash. 2) mental health break. Could be a nervous breakdown, or it could be an underlying mental illness. That wasn't a typical set of behavior. The Bills should help him through it and hopefully he can stabilize himself. 3) combination of both, a recreational drug caused this episode, and in that case, I still think the bills should help.

Why do you automatically go to this? If it is a metal health issue, and not a drug issue, they should use their vast resources, as a large business, to help the kid. If it is a mental health issue, why would you automatically distance yourself from him, instead of helping him? That's the mentality that leads to tragedy in this society.

I posted a couple jokes, and some serious stuff on the other thread. I can find humor in even the most tragic of times, but in the end, I wish Zay and his family the best, whatever the cause of this was. I hope OBD shells him though this, even if he isn't returning to football.

Ahhhhh Didn't think if that angle Thanks

You ain't wrong. Regarding vets, a lot of the older ones, like Nam, didn't get the services they deserved, including mental health services. It's much better today, but for much of the older guys, like Nam era, they are past the point of helping, sadly. Mental health still carries a huge stigma in this country, and we need to change that.