SouthNYfan

I vote Bills. Probably going to get flamed for this, but I have Bills at 5-6 wins and Browns at 3-4.

rip.

the "he" you're referring to is the guy you just responded to. Good point.

Yep. Made me laugh. Then acts like he didn't say it, i'm like "dude, you're quoted, give it up" I'm a PT. I've seen a lot too. Hell I can generally diagnose as good as an MRI in regards to if it's torn or not. Most of the scans that are used are only to confirm what the physical test said, to give EXACT locations of the tears so the surgical intervention can be planned, or to explore and see since they are stumped. Just "seeing him in a brace" doesn't confirm ACL, but you know, obviously, since MAJbobby had an ACL tear and had the same brace, this MUST be an ACL, obviously. That's great to hear. I work on a LOT of ACL tears (and knee injuries in general). Glad to hear your son is feeling good! I love my job, and i love rehabbing knees. It boggles my mind when people on this board try to argue with me (or other professionals) about things that they know nothing about.

We have an offensive line?

but he's a vet. he shouldn't even be practicing. duh. come on man. get with the program. /endsarcasm. You should really pay attention to things you've typed in the past. It told you "all you need to know" that "IT IS AN ACL INJURY" except it seems it isn't. Which is exactly what I said earlier. Nice try.

He looked so slow running for the TD.

our two best offensive linemen for starters, and considering he is saying that the oline sucks and that's why we shouldn't start allen, well, he does have a point, at least enough to be concerned. I would prefer to see him not start either, solely based on the Oline play, but, if he starts, I won't be upset.

CRAZY. I thought it was definitely an ACL injury maj. I guess that brace telling you all you needed to know about it definitely being an ACL was spot on, huh? Damn. Thought it's all you needed to know.

No. Your experience was not false. You had that brace with your ACL injuries. Your assertion that "it is an ACL injury" since you cannot say what injury he had based on the brace, as it is used for a multitude of knee injuries. Try to read a little better next time.

ACL is usually what goes prior to MCL. ACL-> MCL --> Medial meniscus in that order. Maj may be fully correct that it's an ACL, but I was just saying that's not able to be guessed just from the brace. Looking at the video it could be any of those 3, or all 3. Sometimes you get lucky and it's just an MCL with that hit, let's hope.

False. That brace is precautionary for almost all on the spot knee injuries where they feel there may be some internal damage. I've seen it for a minor quad strain applied on the spot. Kyle is a big dude, like really big. It could also be related to MCL, LCL, meniscus, quad tendon, hamstring, all sorts of stuff. It only immobilizes the knee so the muscles and supportive structures around the knee are not being relied on to keep it straight. It may very well be an ACL, it could also be 50 other things.

I don't disagree, but I think he's done enough to earn at least the preseason starts.

I think we can agree that he looks ready to start, and we can agree to disagree as to whether or not he SHOULD start behind that oline (at least the first 6 games).

They had better olines (except for luck) and look what happened to luck. Anyway, I don't think it will hinder allen's development, only concern is injury. They had a top 10 line. They kind of weren't.

Eagles Oline wasn't as much of a sh*t show as ours though. I'm more worried about him getting hurt than actually hindering his development, I think that will be fine. Just said this. Good point

That's very true. He moves very naturally away from pressure. That could also just be fear and self preservation taking over ??

Hopefully he doesn't end up on the sidelines like luck. I have no concerns about Allen other than him getting killed lol

Watch that again, and watch his almost int in the red zone. He literally didn't even scan the girls for defenders either time. The int that the safety jumped in front on was clearly just the fact that he didn't even look to see if the safety was there, he was throwing it to that receiver no matter what from the get go.

Oh I know it won't. That doesn't mean I'm happy to see Allen get thrown to the wolves behind that turnstile line against 4 of the top NFL 5-7 dlines in the first 6 weeks of the season.

*crickets*

Ravens Chargers Vikings GB Tennessee Texans I want Allen having no part of those dlines in the first 6 weeks.

Yeah, I said it before during the off-season, and got ripped for it: Our starting oline is f*cking terrible as a whole. I've seen Cuban refugee rafts with less holes in them.

He's saying you were a Tyrod homer. While I'm gonna joke with you still about it, I will give you this so far: You claimed you weren't a Tyrod homer, just a Bills homer, who would stand vehemently behind whomever was the starter, or at least who you feel should be the starter. So far, at this juncture, from what I've seen, you've been true to that description of yourself. I think it's still a debate who should start, not because np is anywhere close to as good as Allen, but because I'm afraid of Allen getting killed behind that line (which was a concern of mine months ago, and I got railed for it).

It's also too early to tell for either one, but having said that, Allen has looked pretty damned good.